Election Day/Night Open Thread

[doodle]

White conservative farming/ranching and religion mostly....and guns.

Somehow they find kinship with a new york elitist wise guy philandering sexual predator

[doodle]

Woooo this is close. I think AP is gonna call Michigan and Wisconsin soon

[doodle]

Could anyone explain to me why the centre part of the USA is Republican?
Has it always been this way?

And even within those states cities go democrat, rural goes republican. It's almost like a sports rivalry. Michigan and Wisconsin are one of the few areas where rural will go blue ocassionally.

[ahhrunforthehills]

I think to avoid any conflict in this country, Biden needs more than 270. Otherwise, it will put a lot more attention on the SCOTUS for mail-in ballots, recounts, and faithless electors. It just takes one Democrat elector to write-in for Bernie Sanders... then Biden is at 269. Then it would go to the House for a Trump victory.

I think you could have a lot of violence as any of those situations play out (which is actually rather silly... considering that it is pretty obvious that Washington will remain grid-locked for the next couple years regardless of who wins the oval office).

[doodle]

How does house result in Trump victory?

[ahhrunforthehills]

How does house result in Trump victory?

When the House votes for the president, each state gets 1 vote. In that situation, the Republicans have the majority.

[yankees60]

Is this any surprise. Trump will probably have to fire Christie now.

Former New Jersey governor and top Trump ally Chris Christie voiced disagreement overnight with President Trump’s election night remarks prematurely declaring victory and attacking legitimate vote counting efforts. Christie said Trump “undercut his own credibility.”

“There’s just no basis to make that argument tonight. There just isn’t. All these votes have to be counted that are in now,” Christie said during a panel on ABC News moments after Trump’s remarks, noting that the vote count in Pennsylvania will continue for days and “that argument’s for later.”
He continued, “I disagree with what he did tonight. And I think Sarah is right that, you know, there comes a point where you have to let the process play itself out before you judge it to have been flawed. And I think by prematurely doing this, if there is a flaw in it later, he has undercut his own credibility in calling attention to that flaw.”

Christie, who said he was speaking from his experience as a former US attorney, argued that Trump had made a “bad strategic decision” and a “bad political decision.”

“And it's not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make tonight who holds the position he holds,” he added.

Normally!

But this is a man his supporters so zealously support who knows no bounds when it comes to ignoring displaying simple virtues such as trust, fairness, integrity. In at least those three he has demonstrated time and time again that he is the lowest percentile of each of all Americans.

Vinny

[yankees60]

Now Trump is claiming that the election is being stolen. This is a bold faced lie. The only electoral corruption I am seeing are attempts by Republicans to prevent ballots from being counted.

Donald Trump is the most dishonest and profoundly corrupt president in US history. No president has ever before tried to undermine public confidence in the integrity of our elections through a campaign of prevarication and outright lies for their political gain. I detest this vile and wicked man with every fiber of my being.

Trump just finished speaking. Now his puppet is speaking. Trump IS ALL you describe above. Truly despicable.

I'm signing off this computer now. Here is where things now stand as I sign off:


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Vinny

Is anyone surprised? He can't help himself..he is a deeply ill psychopathic narcissistic megalomaniac. Apparently that completely evident character doesn't bother half the population. I honestly think people here would support Charles Manson for president so long as he carried the republican torch.

Well, maybe.....as long as he delivered the goods!

Vinny

[doodle]

How does house result in Trump victory?

When the House votes for the president, each state gets 1 vote. In that situation, the Republicans have the majority.

Oh damn, I misunderstood that part of process. Yikes. If it comes to that this could get even uglier.

[Cortopassi]

9:30: Trump campaign officials tell reporters that "if all legally cast ballots are counted, we believe the president will win." They continue to describe Fox News, AP calls of Arizona for Biden as "just plain wrong."

[ahhrunforthehills]

How does house result in Trump victory?

When the House votes for the president, each state gets 1 vote. In that situation, the Republicans have the majority.

Oh damn, I misunderstood that part of process. Yikes. If it comes to that this could get even uglier.

Yeah, Pelosi would be pissed. Or would she?

Having had a Trump president made her the face of the party. Biden as president means that she has to take a backseat. Politicians are slimy.

[doodle]

Biden looks strong in Michigan, wisconsin and nevada. I think he might pull this off.

Although I remember when John daly won the british open in 1995 only to have Constantino Rocca sink 100 foot putt over a 10 foot ridge on the last hole after chunking his approach shot to match him. Daly crushed in playoff but still, unexpected shit happens sometimes.

[ahhrunforthehills]

Is this any surprise. Trump will probably have to fire Christie now.

Former New Jersey governor and top Trump ally Chris Christie voiced disagreement overnight with President Trump’s election night remarks prematurely declaring victory and attacking legitimate vote counting efforts. Christie said Trump “undercut his own credibility.”

“There’s just no basis to make that argument tonight. There just isn’t. All these votes have to be counted that are in now,” Christie said during a panel on ABC News moments after Trump’s remarks, noting that the vote count in Pennsylvania will continue for days and “that argument’s for later.”
He continued, “I disagree with what he did tonight. And I think Sarah is right that, you know, there comes a point where you have to let the process play itself out before you judge it to have been flawed. And I think by prematurely doing this, if there is a flaw in it later, he has undercut his own credibility in calling attention to that flaw.”

Christie, who said he was speaking from his experience as a former US attorney, argued that Trump had made a “bad strategic decision” and a “bad political decision.”

“And it's not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make tonight who holds the position he holds,” he added.

Normally!

But this is a man his supporters so zealously support who knows no bounds when it comes to ignoring displaying simple virtues such as trust, fairness, integrity. In at least those three he has demonstrated time and time again that he is the lowest percentile of each of all Americans.

Vinny

Trump is priming his base. It is in his strategic advantage to make his supporters feel like they were "robbed". The only way to make someone feel "robbed" is to have already given them something (via a speech that you already won).

[doodle]

How does house result in Trump victory?

When the House votes for the president, each state gets 1 vote. In that situation, the Republicans have the majority.

Oh damn, I misunderstood that part of process. Yikes. If it comes to that this could get even uglier.

Yeah, Pelosi would be pissed. Or would she?

Having had a Trump president made her the face of the party. Biden as president means that she has to take a backseat. Politicians are slimy.

Pelosi is weird. Not a fan...actually I really don't like the democrats at all. If Biden wins I think many of you will be shocked by my criticisms of him. It's just I cannot with Trump...all time worst, by far. I cannot stand windbags like him... .followed closely by a cadre of other republican scumbags Mcconnell and Graham most notably. Although I hate to admit it, and realize the potential of government to improve life, I think humans might be too stupid and power hungry to wield it responsibly. Maybe reaching for the sun will melt our wings in the end.

[Xan]

I think you could have a lot of violence as any of those situations play out (which is actually rather silly... considering that it is pretty obvious that Washington will remain grid-locked for the next couple years regardless of who wins the oval office).

Yes, the worst nightmare was the "blue wave" that would hand over undivided government. Doesn't look like there's any way that can happen now.

[doodle]

I predict liberals will flood the streets in an angry mob, Trump supporters will counter protest to protect businesses as police stand by and do nothing in liberal states. And the media will say LOOK, see! We told you trump supporters were violent racists!

I really despise that term Liberal. I know what a Trump supporter is...I have no idea what a liberal is. It's the most amorphous word ever used to describe anyone. Liberal, liberal, liberal....shut up, Hannity!

[Cortopassi]

How does house result in Trump victory?

When the House votes for the president, each state gets 1 vote. In that situation, the Republicans have the majority.

Oh damn, I misunderstood that part of process. Yikes. If it comes to that this could get even uglier.

Yeah, Pelosi would be pissed. Or would she?

Having had a Trump president made her the face of the party. Biden as president means that she has to take a backseat. Politicians are slimy.

Even more convoluted than that it seems!

https://qz.com/1926879/who-breaks-an-el ... llege-tie/

[ahhrunforthehills]

Although I hate to admit it, and realize the potential of government to improve life, I think humans might be too stupid and power hungry to wield it responsibly. Maybe reaching for the sun will melt our wings in the end.

+100

I posted previously about that study out of Purdue that showed that, historically, citizens of "good" democratic-type societies ultimately suffered more than those under dictatorships. The collapse of a good-society is just as inevitable, but much more harsh.

[Cortopassi]

I predict liberals will flood the streets in an angry mob, Trump supporters will counter protest to protect businesses as police stand by and do nothing in liberal states. And the media will say LOOK, see! We told you trump supporters were violent racists!

I really despise that term Liberal. I know what a Trump supporter is...I have no idea what a liberal is. It's the most amorphous word ever used to describe anyone. Liberal, liberal, liberal....shut up, Hannity!

I am perfectly fine with being called one by this definition:

Liberal: adjective

--favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
--(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
--of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
--favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

[Xan]

Much of that defines classical liberalism, which would be close to libertarian. In the US, "liberal" typically means "socialist".

[doodle]

Biden looking stronger in arizona. This might soon be in bag.

I predict liberals will flood the streets in an angry mob, Trump supporters will counter protest to protect businesses as police stand by and do nothing in liberal states. And the media will say LOOK, see! We told you trump supporters were violent racists!

I really despise that term Liberal. I know what a Trump supporter is...I have no idea what a liberal is. It's the most amorphous word ever used to describe anyone. Liberal, liberal, liberal....shut up, Hannity!

I am perfectly fine with being called one by this definition:

Liberal: adjective

--favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
--(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
--of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
--favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

Yes, by traditional definition the United States was founded on liberal principles. But its definition has been completely rewritten to mean absolutely nothing except person I don't like. Cretins like Hannity repeat it over and over like some cultlike religious mantra to brainwash idiots.

[Cortopassi]

Much of that defines classical liberalism, which would be close to libertarian. In the US, "liberal" typically means "socialist".

I guess I am Libertarian then!

[ahhrunforthehills]

The whole thing is really so sad.

I remember watching Jo Jorgensen (libertarian) being interviewed on Fox a couple hours before the last Trump/Biden debate.

They asked her how she felt about not being able to participate in the debate because she didn't have enough votes in the necessary polls.

She replied that they refused to let her name even appear on those polls.

2 party system = 1 party system

We all lose.

[Cortopassi]

Bonds and market are liking something for whatever reason. Go PP!

[doodle]

Much of that defines classical liberalism, which would be close to libertarian. In the US, "liberal" typically means "socialist".

I guess I am Libertarian then!

Id probably classify myself as that as well...however, i take exception to the way that American libertarians support government protections and special provisions for corporations over those of individuals.