Will Trump be Re-elected?

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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by stuper1 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:59 pm

And who cares if Bolton is gone? He always seemed like a war-mongering psychopath to me, but that's not based on any substantive conversations that I've had with him. If the president decides that an advisor is no longer the right fit, he should get rid of him. Isn't that what the American people wanted when they voted for him?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by ochotona » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:33 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:59 pm
And who cares if Bolton is gone? He always seemed like a war-mongering psychopath to me, but that's not based on any substantive conversations that I've had with him. If the president decides that an advisor is no longer the right fit, he should get rid of him. Isn't that what the American people wanted when they voted for him?
I don't think a quality attribute of a President is how readily he fires people who no longer fit his mercurial whims. Certainly the Constitution doesn't say anything about that.

The problem with Trump is that no one of quality is going to want to serve under him. You'd have to be a complete idiot / masochist to want to have him as a boss.

So it'll just be Trump alone in a room with a little red button.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by stuper1 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:42 pm

That's your read of the situation.

My read is that the guy has made billions of dollars during his lifetime. Have you ever seen someone do something like that without being able to work with other people? We know oh so little about what really goes on in politics. Basically everything we get comes third- or fourth-hand and through a media filter.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:47 pm

ochotona wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:33 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:59 pm
And who cares if Bolton is gone? He always seemed like a war-mongering psychopath to me, but that's not based on any substantive conversations that I've had with him. If the president decides that an advisor is no longer the right fit, he should get rid of him. Isn't that what the American people wanted when they voted for him?
I don't think a quality attribute of a President is how readily he fires people who no longer fit his mercurial whims. Certainly the Constitution doesn't say anything about that.
Actually the Constitution does say something about that, namely:

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. " (Article II, section 1)

Of course there is more about how he is elected, who is eligible, appointments with the advice and consent of the Senate, and so on.

But none of that changes the fact that the powers of the executive branch are vested in him.
Legally, he is the executive branch, just as in England, legally the King is England.
Anyone who serves in the executive branch gets power only by delegation from the President.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by stuper1 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:41 am

Yup, and remember that Trump just fires people. Obama was more likely to have people offed with a drone strike -- judge, jury, and executioner.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by ochotona » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:18 am

Ah, the old "King Can Do No Wrong" chestnut.

Have all drone strikes ended with Trump?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by moda0306 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:31 am

stuper1 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:41 am
Yup, and remember that Trump just fires people. Obama was more likely to have people offed with a drone strike -- judge, jury, and executioner.
Trump expanded drone strikes and the Afghan war and vetoed ending the Yemen war.

You’re really a great example of how a fucking moron could get elected President.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by ochotona » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:43 am

stuper1 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:42 pm
That's your read of the situation.

My read is that the guy has made billions of dollars during his lifetime. Have you ever seen someone do something like that without being able to work with other people? We know oh so little about what really goes on in politics. Basically everything we get comes third- or fourth-hand and through a media filter.
He must've made billions (but we don't know because his finances have never been released) so he must work well with others. Wow, that is a stretch. Making billions is not a measure of much.

"Prosecutors estimated the size of the (Madoff) fraud to be $64.8 billion, based on the amounts in the accounts of Madoff's 4,800 clients as of November 30, 2008."
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:56 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of ... erformance
A 2016 analysis of Trump's business career in The Economist concluded that his performance since 1985 had been "mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York."[42] A subsequent analysis in The Washington Post similarly noted that Trump's estimated net worth of $100 million in 1978 would have increased to $6 billion by 2016 if he had invested it in a typical retirement fund, and concluded that "Trump is a mix of braggadocio, business failures, and real success."[43]
O0 He should have just bought Vanguard's 2015 Target Retirement Fund!
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by stuper1 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:06 am

I feel very confident in saying that he's not an idiot.

If I were a voting person, which I'm not, the main criterion I would vote on is just this: is this person likely to make the government bigger or smaller? The more areas that government infiltrates, the worse off we are. I know we'll never be back to a small government, but at least hopefully the scope creep can slow down.

Based on that criterion, I would vote for Trump over Biden, Sanders, Warren, or Harris.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:25 am

moda0306 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:31 am
stuper1 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:41 am
Yup, and remember that Trump just fires people. Obama was more likely to have people offed with a drone strike -- judge, jury, and executioner.
Trump expanded drone strikes and the Afghan war and vetoed ending the Yemen war.

You’re really a great example of how a fucking moron could get elected President.
Do you have Hard Data, and not just someones Opinion/Guess on drone strike/ death toll?

Drone strike Casualty Reports have been cancelled.

Also when Trump vetoed ending the Yemen war, why did not CONgress succeed in overturning the Veto?
https://www.justsecurity.org/63855/gett ... n-succeed/

Another question, is how many American Troops are stationed or have Died in Yemen during Yemen's Civil War?

Now the Afghan war has been going on for 18 YEARS... Do you just turn out the lights and go home?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:56 am

stuper1 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:06 am
I feel very confident in saying that he's not an idiot.

If I were a voting person, which I'm not, the main criterion I would vote on is just this: is this person likely to make the government bigger or smaller? The more areas that government infiltrates, the worse off we are. I know we'll never be back to a small government, but at least hopefully the scope creep can slow down.

Based on that criterion, I would vote for Trump over Biden, Sanders, Warren, or Harris.
So would anyone with two working brain cells.
Which I think includes enough of the population that he will be easily re-elected even though the Democrats will pull out all the stops in their voter fraud attempts.
Fortunately we don't have a national popular vote election, because then the Democrat would win easily with 50 million votes from Chicago alone.
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