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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 am

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I guess I forgot myself. O0
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am

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What's wrong with this picture...

The screenshot is from Bing news. Here is the link to the actual story. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-of-i ... ive-years/. Do you think it was just a mistake or does any negative story just get a photo of Trump by default?

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I also noticed they used his "Douche-level-7" face rather than 8-10 (or 5-6 (he doesn't have a 1-4)).

Not only is he not even mentioned in the article, but the timeframe analyzed is 2012 thru 2016. Nothing of 2017 or 2018. No mention of republicans either.

Trump is a complete embarrassment of a human and President, but this isn't his baby.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:55 am

I'd say it's a algo issue (I see stories with headline pics that don't make sense all the time), or else they're blaming it on Trump. No doubt the algo issue is a low priority-fix, since they're probably getting all kinds of clicks from people who assume it's going to bash Trump on his insulin-policy.

Or maybe they're taking a page from those paid clickbait links at the bottom of news stories. You know the ones: "NY State Drivers Should Read This!" and there's a picture of a hot chick seductively leaning on a barn or whatever.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:01 pm

I'm still of the opinion that standard profit motive interests drive the biases of "thu mediuh" more than "liberal principles." Focusing on Trump in a negative way is wonderful for ratings. It puts eyeballs on screens. Liberals love to read negative things about a man they hate. Conservatives love to hate to love to get incensed at the "tilt" of the coverage.

So Krieg I think you're on to something. It's clickbait score goes up 5x by putting a picture of Trump looking like a massive D-Bag on top of the headline. Put a bottle of insulin up there? Please... we're a corporation, selling audiences to other corporations. Let's get ready to rumble...
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:27 pm

moda0306 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:01 pm
I'm still of the opinion that standard profit motive interests drive the biases of "thu mediuh" more than "liberal principles." Focusing on Trump in a negative way is wonderful for ratings. It puts eyeballs on screens.

It's clickbait score goes up 5x by putting a picture of Trump looking like a massive D-Bag on top of the headline. Put a bottle of insulin up there? Please... we're a corporation, selling audiences to other corporations. Let's get ready to rumble...
Yup.

Tangentially related, before he became the Stoic philosophy author/guru, Ryan Holiday wrote Trust Me, I'm Lying, about how the media is manipulated, how to spot it, etc. One tactic used is getting a story play at a bottom-feeding blog/outlet with no journalistic integrity, which then gets picked up by bigger outlets who cite the original source. That's a big reason news organizations loooooooooooove Twitter and other social media. Or just emailing news organizations/using their anonymous tips button and lying to them directly. They're pressured to get stories out immediately, so they can't fact check them. They put them out, and then (maybe) put out retractions or modify them afterwards, but "there are no consequences for being wrong" as he says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwHMZ4t-_Y

17:40-19:00 he talks about one example where he does that.
So Krieg I think you're on to something.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwHMZ4t-_Y

17:40-19:00 he talks about one example where he does that.
Actually on topic, 43:14 he talks about running ads (for a clothing company) with Sasha Grey naked on them.

Other than those two points, that video wasn't really useful. :-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFxwqwhG-ZA
This one describes it.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:55 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwHMZ4t-_Y

17:40-19:00 he talks about one example where he does that.
Actually on topic, 43:14 he talks about running ads (for a clothing company) with Sasha Grey naked on them.

Other than those two points, that video wasn't really useful. :-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFxwqwhG-ZA
This one describes it.
That reminds me of hearing about Dick Cheney citing a NYT article about the risk of WMD in Iraq. The article was from an "anonymous" leak from the white house... turned out to be part of the lie-machine that Dick Cheney was the tip of the spear on.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:21 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm
Actually on topic, 43:14 he talks about running ads (for a clothing company) with Sasha Grey naked on them.
Is this someone famous? I assume she's good looking, anyway, and worth seeing naked.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:38 pm

moda0306 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:55 pm
That reminds me of hearing about Dick Cheney citing a NYT article about the risk of WMD in Iraq. The article was from an "anonymous" leak from the white house... turned out to be part of the lie-machine that Dick Cheney was the tip of the spear on.

As a fan of Game of Thrones, I prefer incestuous relationships to be open and honest... not hidden beneath an informational shell-game.
Yup. I can't remember if he used that as an example in the book. It was in Tucker Carlson's book though.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:39 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm
Actually on topic, 43:14 he talks about running ads (for a clothing company) with Sasha Grey naked on them.
Is this someone famous? I assume she's good looking, anyway, and worth seeing naked.
She was a famous porn star at the time.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:09 pm

I see-
- I mean I see what you’re saying. O0
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by jacksonM » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:48 pm

moda0306 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am
jacksonM wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:41 am
What's wrong with this picture...

The screenshot is from Bing news. Here is the link to the actual story. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-of-i ... ive-years/. Do you think it was just a mistake or does any negative story just get a photo of Trump by default?

Image
I also noticed they used his "Douche-level-7" face rather than 8-10 (or 5-6 (he doesn't have a 1-4)).

Not only is he not even mentioned in the article, but the timeframe analyzed is 2012 thru 2016. Nothing of 2017 or 2018. No mention of republicans either.

Trump is a complete embarrassment of a human and President, but this isn't his baby.
I was never a big fan of Obama but like they say in the godfather it wasn't personal, just politics. Personally I thought he was a decent person, at least as much as you can say that about any lying-snake-in-the-grass politician. He also represented an amazing success story which should be duly noted in all future textbooks on American history.

Trump derangement syndrome is another phenomenon altogether however. I mean seriously, is he really that bad of a president?
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