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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:27 am

All this being said and the past few days, I have moved my needle to where I am not at all sure how much of what Ford is saying is true vs. mis-remembered anymore.

In the same breath, though, I'd have to say that given Kavanaugh's comments, he definitely is a Republican conservative, and I still don't understand how anyone with such an obvious bias should be on the court, whether left or right. We should strive to search for middle ground people to be on the court.

I understand that is a fantasy. :(
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by moda0306 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:36 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:27 am
All this being said and the past few days, I have moved my needle to where I am not at all sure how much of what Ford is saying is true vs. mis-remembered anymore.

In the same breath, though, I'd have to say that given Kavanaugh's comments, he definitely is a Republican conservative, and I still don't understand how anyone with such an obvious bias should be on the court, whether left or right. We should strive to search for middle ground people to be on the court.

I understand that is a fantasy. :(
He's terrible on the 4th amendment and executive power, which are huge issues for me, so on a purely subjective basis I don't like him.

That-aside, I think finding someone without the checkered frat-boy past shouldn't have been too difficult. These are life-time appointments. These people should be unicorns of human decency.

But yeah he's just a standard conservative boob... not even really a constitutionalist or limited-government guy. But neither is Trump so what would we expect?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by sophie » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:04 pm

Yes, that is another question, whether he would be a good justice - that seems to have gotten lost in all the sex-crazed excitement. I read some of his writings and thought they sounded pretty level-headed & reasonable, but it would be nice to hear more details than I've been able to dig up myself.

I did think his rant about the left-wing conspiracy was a bit over the top, and a bit too paranoid-sounding for a Supreme Court candidate. Otherwise I have no problem with his showing some controlled anger. He was definitely not out of control raging as the media have portrayed, unless there's a clip I haven't seen yet.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by moda0306 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:29 pm

sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:04 pm
Yes, that is another question, whether he would be a good justice - that seems to have gotten lost in all the sex-crazed excitement. I read some of his writings and thought they sounded pretty level-headed & reasonable, but it would be nice to hear more details than I've been able to dig up myself.

I did think his rant about the left-wing conspiracy was a bit over the top, and a bit too paranoid-sounding for a Supreme Court candidate. Otherwise I have no problem with his showing some controlled anger. He was definitely not out of control raging as the media have portrayed, unless there's a clip I haven't seen yet.
Yeah when he mentioned the clintons? What the hell was that?

He was a couple steps away from blaming Soros and some Parkland parents methinks.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Tyler » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:38 pm

sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:04 pm
I did think his rant about the left-wing conspiracy was a bit over the top, and a bit too paranoid-sounding for a Supreme Court candidate.

Here's his actual statement:
"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups."

The Clinton comment clearly raised a few eyebrows, but the other statements are undeniably true. IMHO, reducing it to paranoia is just a way of ignoring reality.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:50 pm

Tyler wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:38 pm
sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:04 pm
I did think his rant about the left-wing conspiracy was a bit over the top, and a bit too paranoid-sounding for a Supreme Court candidate.

Here's his actual statement:
"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups."

The Clinton comment clearly raised a few eyebrows as a personal opinion that would be hard to prove, but the other statements are undeniably true. IMHO, reducing it to paranoia is just a way of ignoring reality.
Speaking of reality, the Kav drama show (a.k.a. our elected officials reality show) is more boring than the zombie, chain saw, or killer tomato movies of several decades past. :o
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by moda0306 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:58 pm

Tyler wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:38 pm
sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:04 pm
I did think his rant about the left-wing conspiracy was a bit over the top, and a bit too paranoid-sounding for a Supreme Court candidate.

Here's his actual statement:
"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups."

The Clinton comment clearly raised a few eyebrows as a personal opinion that would be hard to prove, but the other statements are undeniably true. IMHO, reducing his statement to paranoia is just a way of ignoring reality.
"Undeniably True."

Your and my definitions of "undeniably true" are undeniably different. This is partially a hit-job, as Senators don't care much for ethics, but it was also a legitimate and very limited investigation into a very disturbing claim about his nature.

He was being a whiner and dodging questions. That alone was almost disqualifying, but more important than that is this guy is a disaster for the 4th amendment and executive power, something we should be far more focused on for folks in powerful positions than whether they had false accusations lobbed at them.

You didn't see Obama sniffling like a wimp when people were accusing him of being born in Kenya and a knuckle-dragging 20% of this country you can always count on bought into it. Hillary never cried when 40% of R's bought into her being part of a child sex ring.

There were a parade of horrible accusations I heard my right-leaning friends and dipshits in the conservative media overtly believing or parroting. Let's lose the melodrama on the righteousness of this process. Lindsey Graham looked like an utter fool calling this the worst thing he's seen in his life in politics.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by stuper1 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:07 pm

Everybody says that they are tired of politicians and other public figures who sugarcoat things and won't just say things clearly. Then, when we get some people who just say what they really feel (e.g., Trump and Kavanaugh), they complain about that too. Some people are just whiners.

This whole thing is obviously a left-wing hit job. Even if every word of the charges were true, I personally would have no trouble if the guy were confirmed. As it is, it seems that not one word can be corroborated. Given the left's desire to see Kavanaugh rejected, it's not hard to imagine that some loony leftist woman could just be making this stuff up.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Benko » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:15 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:07 pm
This whole thing is obviously a left-wing hit job.
Agree.

Moda imagine if after Dan Rather's fake documents were discredited** someone came up with another and worse fake document. And than another. You don't see it this way, but most of us (and based on polls lots of voters) do see it this way.

** I use this as an analogy of tactics not to discuss Bush (who I know you love).
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Xan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:17 pm

I don't think the Clinton thing came entirely out of left field. He's saying people are angry about Kavanaugh's involvement in the Starr probe.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by stuper1 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:55 pm

Here's a great comment I came across today on another forum:

"If the biggest bully or the biggest drinker or dopehead in my high school class of ’76 was nominated for the Supreme Court, my initial reaction would be, “Wow, he’s changed. He’s made something of himself. That’s a good thing.” Not, “Damn! He’s fooled them into believing that he’s something he’s not!”

I think most conservatives go along with this idea of personal redemption, whether they have a Christian faith or not. They go along with the idea that a person improves himself or herself in one way or another, and becomes far more than they were in high school, sometimes overcoming self-imposed obstacles.

Leftists believe that only gangbangers, dope dealers and prostitutes and minority criminals are in need of – and capable of – redemption. Everyone else has privilege, so redemption isn’t for them.

Of course, it’s all political. Whether he is kept from the court because he attacked a girl or because his testimony when defending himself is inconsistent in some minor sense is irrelevant to leftists. Keep him off the court is the ultimate goal.

Anyway, leftists made a calculated risk, a very big one. In trashing him without due process, they’ve antagonized a possible member of the Supreme Court, one who’ll be replacing a justice who was often a key swing vote. And at the moment, it appears as though they’re going to lose big. Or maybe the left going will fall back on a very contemptuous and radical strategy: we won’t follow the mandates of a court that has someone like Judge Kavanaugh on it."
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by moda0306 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:04 pm

Benko wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:15 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:07 pm
This whole thing is obviously a left-wing hit job.
Agree.

Moda imagine if after Dan Rather's fake documents were discredited** someone came up with another and worse fake document. And than another. You don't see it this way, but most of us (and based on polls lots of voters) do see it this way.

** I use this as an analogy of tactics not to discuss Bush (who I know you love).
You think Ms. Ford is "discredited?" Poor analogy. She simply "might be wrong." That's about it.

And even if she is lying, it would be no stretch of facts at all to have it be motivating to other women to come out who were in-fact assaulted by Brett.

What polls are you talking about?
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