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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by ochotona » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm

boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Xan » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am

ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:50 am

Xan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am
ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
The price mechanism works great when markets are efficient. Would you consider health services, insurance and drug markets to be efficient?

Why do you think government works better in some areas than others? (I don't mean that snarky... just something I think about a lot)
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Desert » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:12 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am
ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
With healthcare, there is a moral dimension that has guided most first world countries to reject a purely free market approach. With a true free market, there would be many U.S. citizens that would be denied care and die despite the existence of a treatment technology that could cure them. Similarly, there isn't a free market in roadways, policing, firefighting, military protection, etc. I get the same mutually assured destruction nuke protection that Warren Buffet gets, for example.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by pugchief » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:22 pm

ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Doctors and medical ethicists, yes.
CEO, no.
Government bureaucrats, hell no.

Can you imagine health care in Chicago? The only ones receiving the top care would be the political donors of the Machine cronies.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:44 pm

When I saw this thread was active, I thought for sure it would be about this classy rebuke.
You can’t say *this* man suffers from TDS.

Revoke my security clearance, too, Mr. President

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Dear Mr. President
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:53 am

I have gone from wanting him to drain the swamp, to voting for him, to cringing at tweets, to yelling at the TV, and finally just wanting him to go back home and let somebody else do this job. This is a non-stop reality show nightmare.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:10 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:53 am
I have gone from wanting him to drain the swamp, to voting for him, to cringing at tweets, to yelling at the TV, and finally just wanting him to go back home and let somebody else do this job. This is a non-stop reality show nightmare.
<snip>
I am more frustrated with his supporters than with Trump himself. I understand why a segment of the population voted for him out of hopes for better jobs, healthcare, etc, not racism. And a lot of those people are now disillusioned. It's the subset that continues to defend him that I don't get.

Btw, I'm halfway through Lawrence Wright's 'God Save Texas', a great book by an excellent journalist (and lifelong Texan). There was a page or two on Alex Jones and his influence on Trump. I hadn't realized that all the "lock her up" stuff began with Jones. I've got a problem with his supporters, too. O0
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kbg » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:39 pm

I usually don't come to this part of the board...but I think a couple of things are obvious.

1. Healthcare in the US is broke, period, full stop.

2. People would rather argue about their political views as to how healthcare "should" work rather than solve the problem practically.

I spent most of my adult life in US socialized medicine (military medicine) and now I am in the private sector and frankly I don't find the private sector approach all that great and in many ways its worse. One thing I miss is that I used to get an email saying I needed to come in for some basic preventative thing (shots, annual check up, blood work, whatever) as the records had all been digitized. Now I have to do crap like find my paper copy shot records (from my military days), go to the internet to find out how often you need boosters, make an appointment and hand update my old paper record...seriously I find this ridiculous.

My personal take is if someone wants cutting edge medical technology the private sector is better (if and it is a BIG if, your insurance company will approve it). If you want the basics done well, my experience with socialized medicine is that it was way better.

I think the real thing is accountability. There are the VA nightmare locations you read about, but there are some mind blowing great VA locations as well. Whether government or private, accountability is lacking in many areas.

Personally I'd love to see a fly off...let CA go fully socialized and let TX go fully private and let's see what happens.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by hardlawjockey » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:09 pm

dualstow wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:10 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:53 am
I have gone from wanting him to drain the swamp, to voting for him, to cringing at tweets, to yelling at the TV, and finally just wanting him to go back home and let somebody else do this job. This is a non-stop reality show nightmare.
<snip>
I am more frustrated with his supporters than with Trump himself. I understand why a segment of the population voted for him out of hopes for better jobs, healthcare, etc, not racism.
Can you give an example of the racism you are talking about? I hear this all the time but I don't see the evidence for it.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:08 pm

I said not racism.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by ochotona » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:22 pm

1. Healthcare in the US is broke, period, full stop.

AND

2. Pensions in the US are broke, period, full stop.
3. Long Term Care in the US is broke, period, full stop.
4. Post-secondary education financing in the US is broke, period, full stop.
5. Consumer protections from corporate rip-offs and scams is broke, period, full stop.
6. Child-care is broke, period, full stop.

This is truly the United States of Fork You. My daughter wants to marry a European man and not live in the US... I can see why.
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