The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by MachineGhost » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:40 pm

I have updated, enhanced and edited the regime in the OP.

http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/ot ... re-regime/
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by MachineGhost » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:07 am

Good news! I have confirmed that Listerine Zero works as a replacement for original Listerine that contains alcohol. So no longer do you have to put up with the burn nor having your taste buds killed off. It is just as acidic too so that the last step works properly. Oddly though, some bottles do not list the essentials oils among the inactive ingredients and no bottle that I've seen ever lists them under active ingredients.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by rocketdog » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:44 am

The evidence in support of flossing is weak at best, and probably non-existent:

Weak, unreliable evidence suggests flossing plus toothbrushing may be associated with a small reduction in plaque
http://www.nature.com/ebd/journal/v13/n ... 0835a.html

The Medical Benefit of Daily Flossing Called Into Question
http://www.ada.org/en/science-research/ ... o-question

When I heard this news I decided to try an experiment: I went between dental cleanings (4 months) without flossing once. Instead, I doubled the length of time I brushed my teeth (in essence, using the time when I would have been flossing to instead keep brushing).

Normally I get an admonition from my dentist to floss twice a day because the hygienist found a certain amount of plaque or tartar along my gum line. (Note: A few years ago I had 2 gum surgeries and a bone graft in a portion of my jaw due to receding gums).

After my 4-moth experiment, at my next check-up I got no admonition! Instead, the dentist said "Looks great! Keep up the good work!"

I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was truly surprised that neither the hygienist nor my dentist detected that I had not flossed my teeth for an entire 4 months. ;D

P.S. - I should mention that I brush twice daily: in the mornings with a manual toothbrush, and in the evenings with a Sonicare electric toothbrush. I also chew Xylitol gum throughout the day, and have done so for years (ever since my gum surgeries). My periodontist recommended I chew Xylitol gum and use a Sonicare toothbrush, and I think they have helped to improve and maintain my dental health.
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Post by mathjak107 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:34 am

my wife is having awful teeth issues . another 10k this year in work after 6k last year and 4k the year before .

she made the mistake of having all her teeth capped 15 years ago . now bacteria is finally working it's way underneath and one by one her teeth are requiring root canals and new caps .

they are doing arestin treatment now . the dentist thought it could save us money if our medicare drug plan would pay for the arestin .

we got a letter back from aetna to say they would cover it . the drug store called to say there would a 1k co-pay on that drug .

we said forget it .
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Post by pugchief » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:44 am

mathjak107 wrote:
they are doing arestin treatment now . the dentist thought it could save us money if our medicare drug plan would pay for the arestin .

we got a letter back from aetna to say they would cover it . the drug store called to say there would a 1k co-pay on that drug .

we said forget it .
Arestin is a small antibiotic releasing disk that is placed between the tooth and gum when a periodontal pocket exists that is not responsive to debridement. They are not used for decay or root canals. And you don't get them at a pharmacy; the periodontist would stock them in his office. The disks would not cost anywhere near $1000 unless you are including the fee to place them and are talking about quite a few of them.
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Post by mathjak107 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:49 am

don't misunderstand -- yes, you can buy it with a prescription and typically it is a lot cheaper for the procedure if you buy it and provide it to the dentist if your insurer pays for it . so our dentist gave us the option as she would rather we got it so we could save money on the procedure . it is classified as a tier 3 drug with aetna and is a 1k co-pay . our supplement would pick it up except being pretty healthy she has a high deductible f-plan with a 2k out of pocket .

it really was not worth us buying it since we never come close to the 2k deductible . .

the dentist is providing it way cheaper and with application gets 65 bucks per tooth in nyc which is pretty reasonable here as some dentists get over 100 bucks per tooth .
there are only a few teeth needing it . . it is not being used instead of root canals . this is for the perio issues she has too .

all the other work is so extensive the dentist felt if we could save a few bucks by providing the arestin it would help since other drug plans cover it without a ridiculous co-pay .

but for the drugs we need aetna is great and co-pays are usually like 2 bucks . they just classify this one as way out of bounds evidently .

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Post by blackomen » Tue May 08, 2018 11:49 pm

Anyone try toothpaste with Novamin which I hear works even better than the Crest Cavity Protection paste recommended here? I hear it's banned in the US but not illegal per se and you can buy it off of Amazon, though at inflated prices. And one of the reasons it's banned is because it worked so well at remineralizing teeth that dentists feared they'd be out of a job so they lobbied the ADA.. at least that's what I've been told.
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Post by Cortopassi » Wed May 09, 2018 9:41 am

Pug may question this, but as a 6 month experiment I have been brushing exclusively with Xylitol.

I am about 3 months in. There is no doubt that I have less plaque buildup and I have had zero gum issues. In the past, certainly every few weeks I'd have some level of gum irritation here or there for whatever reason, none since starting Xylitol.

You can search for how it works. And I'll give an update after my next checkup.

I'd also like to ask Pug, toothpaste is all marketing for the most part, right? If I look at "active" ingredients, it is mainly either Sodium Fluoride or Stannous Fluoride, and if I have one really expensive "Helps prevent bleeding gums" toothpaste with one vs. a cheaper alternative with the same active ingredient, they are basically the same?
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by pugchief » Wed May 09, 2018 2:20 pm

I had not previously heard of Novamin. Googling it, I found an NIH paper that states that the substance has promise as an anti cavity agent, perhaps superior to fluoride.

I assure you that the ADA and or other dental groups are not trying to prevent its use unless they feel it is unsafe for some reason. We as dentists are always trying to put ourselves out of business in the interest of public health, in spite of what the public believes.

Depending on what issue you are trying to solve with toothpaste, it's unlikely to be a panacea. Many of the formulations, particularly regarding whitening are mostly marketing. Some incarnations have shown promise in other areas. For instance, Pronamel has been shown to reminerailze enamel, but if you sip Coke all day and brush with it only once a week, you will likely still get cavities. Etc. Etc. Xylitol has also shown to be effective.

The best advice I can give you all is brush, floss, Listerine and see your dentist twice a year. Don't ignore small problems as they will become large ones with time.

edit: for spelling and typos that make me regret using a tablet instead of a keyboard
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by blackomen » Thu May 10, 2018 7:49 am

pugchief wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 2:20 pm
I had not previously heard of Novamin. Googling it, I found an NIH paper that states that the substance has promise as an anti cavity agent, perhaps superior to fluoride.

I assure you that the ADA and or other dental groups are not trying to prevent its use unless they feel it is unsafe for some reason. We as dentists are always trying to put ourselves out of business in the interest of public health, in spite of what the public believes.

Depending on what issue you are trying to solve with toothpaste, it's unlikely to be a panacea. Many of the formulations, particularly regarding whitening are mostly marketing. Some incarnations have shown promise in other areas. For instance, Pronamel has been shown to reminerailze enamel, but if you sip Coke all day and brush with it only once a week, you will likely still get cavities. Etc. Etc. Xylitol has also shown to be effective.

The best advice I can give you call is brsh, floss, Listerine and see your dentist twice a year. Doing ignore small problems as they will become large ones with time.
If it's only being used in some third world countries, then I'd be far more suspicious. But Novamine is in many consumer toothpastes in Canada and the UK. However, my knowledge of dentistry is limited so I think it's still best to compare its effectiveness with, say, good old Crest and see which one is more effective at fighting the minor cavities I have.. I've already noticed improvements in my sensitivity after using the Crest cavity toothpaste for like 2 months and I've ordered a sample of Novamine toothpaste from overseas due to arrive a in few weeks.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by sophie » Fri May 11, 2018 7:26 am

I kind of ignored the fluoride controversy for a while, but recently switched to a non-fluoride toothpaste. I figure that with the water fluoridated it doesn't make sense to double up given that NYC's water hovers around the EPA safe limit as it is. And also figured easier than messing around with reverse osmosis systems.

The one I'm using is Dr. Bronner's which uses coconut oil & flour. At my last checkup, the hygienist commented that my teeth were cleaner and with less plaque than usual. And, no cavities. Sample size of one visit but that's intriguing. I'm sticking with the plan.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by thisisallen » Fri May 18, 2018 8:35 am

Someone just recommended trying an ionic toothbrush. This article explains about it. Not many companies are selling it , and all from Japan. Anyone ever have success with this?

http://www.holistic-healing-information ... ushes.html
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