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Pointedstick wrote: • I like the fact that Trump is shaking things up. To me the country feels like it has been going in the wrong direction for 15 years. We know what the Republican and Democratic establishments are going to give us: they have already demonstrated it with Bush and Obama. And Hillary is openly campaigning with a message of "if you liked Obama, you're gonna like me even more!" I don't want any more of this crap. I'm willing to try something new. And Trump is the most unorthodox candidate out there.
To highlight and expand on this, I think Hillary Clinton is making a huge mistake by tying her fortunes to Obama. Barack Obama is not a popular president. His approval rating has not risen above the mid-40s in years. The people who don't like him really don't like him, and a goodly number of the people who do are nonetheless disappointed in him and are sticking with him out of tribal loyalty to the Democrats or political liberalism. Privately (and not-so-privately), they complain that he is a sellout, that he hasn't gone far enough, that he hasn't been tough enough, that he has been too passive and conciliatory and aloof and disengaged, and that he has emboldened the Republicans and presided over the electoral evisceration of his own party.

Emotionally, declaring herself to basically be the Uber-Obama is an incredibly stupid move for Clinton. By doing this, she aligns herself with a weak, halfhearted, disappointed movement that is restless and upset about the lack of any real serious changes in the direction the country is moving in. After 7 years of Obama, do most people think the country is moving in the right direction? No, and by a huge margin. People feel like the health care is still too expensive and unavailable, that the economy is in the shitter, that Muslim terrorism is an unchecked risk, that the Social Security system is in danger, that the federal government is too big and powerful, and that the game is rigged against them in favor of the wealthy. [source]

This should be ringing blaring alarm bells to the Clinton campaign. Obama has emotionally disappointed people, who consistently believe that his leadership has failed to move the country in the right direction. If I were Hillary, I would be running as far from Obama as possible, trying to articulate a bright new vision that put substantial ground between my campaign and his presidency. Instead Hillary is doing the exact opposite: associating herself with someone who emotionally, the electorate believes is a failure, and talking mostly in terms of concrete policies that fail to emotionally thrill people and aren't all that different from what we already have and those the president has been unsuccessfully pushing for years. Clinton's motto might as well be, "More of the same 2016!"

It is completely baffling to me and I cannot see how she will win unless she radically alters her message.
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She has to tie herself to Obama because he has the goods on her. He can have her indicted much faster than one of her trips to the bathroom.
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Hillary is a vastly weaker candidate than I think most people realize.

She's like one of those boxers with an amazing physique and a glass jaw.

The fact that a no name black liberal from Chicago came out of nowhere and stole the 2008 nomination from her speaks volumes about her strength as a candidate and her ability to take a punch and still win.

When you consider how flimsy a candidate she is when exposed to live fire, her almost complete lack of anything resembling charisma, and her apparent lack of honesty and openness, I don't like her chances in a close race.

I also think that the media doesn't care for her much, and that will hurt her as well.
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MangoMan wrote:
Pointedstick wrote: It is completely baffling to me and I cannot see how she will win unless she radically alters her message.
Sadly, because democrats will vote for her regardless.
This brings up something I've wondered about for years.  It really does seem Democrats will stand behind their leader regardless, i.e Bill Clinton's "I did not have sex" scandal.  I can't imagine a Republican tolerating such behavior.

So, would we see the same thing with a Republican voters?  Maybe Trump will be polarizing enough to test this possibility.
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Republicans seem to tolerate plenty of bad behavior from politicians, as long as they're R politicians, as far as I can tell.
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jafs wrote: Republicans seem to tolerate plenty of bad behavior from politicians, as long as they're R politicians, as far as I can tell.
George W. Bush led the country into a multi-year war based on a fabricated set of lies that wound up costing more American lives than 9/11 and he got re-elected.
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http://theweek.com/articles/599573/hill ... w-politics
Over the past couple weeks, Hillary Clinton's massive national polling lead over her primary opponent Bernie Sanders has plummeted. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the first primary states, she's running a neck-and-neck race in the former and is significantly behind in the latter.

Though he is surely still a long shot, that Sanders has even gotten within striking distance of the nomination is literally astonishing. I no longer trust my own judgments as to what is politically likely (or anyone else's for that matter), but I think it's fair to say such an outcome was at least as improbable as Donald Trump's thus-far overwhelming dominance in the Republican primary.

I can only conclude that Hillary Clinton has the biggest glass jaw in politics.
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It's amazing how vulnerable Hillary is. To socialist Sanders beating her. To Obama if he allows the FBI and the DOJ to indict her as they should. To new scandals involving Clinton Foundation bribery and slush funds. To her own lack of political charm and charisma. To Bill being Bill. I definitely wouldn't rule out Biden at all.
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Reub wrote: To Obama if he allows the FBI and the DOJ to indict her as they should.
There are 100 or 150 FBI agents on the investigation, plus a number of intelligence types interested in this investigation.  Assuming the Obama regime doesn't want to prosecute Hillary, what happens to e.g. the AG when one or more of those people leak to the press that the FBI recommended prosecution?
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Benko, they would have to smear the FBI first. This would newter them before any leaks get out. I wouldn't be surprised if Director Comey is removed on some kind of a scandal or there is some other sort of revelation about them that surfaces soon.
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Reub wrote: It's amazing how vulnerable Hillary is. To socialist Sanders beating her. To Obama if he allows the FBI and the DOJ to indict her as they should. To new scandals involving Clinton Foundation bribery and slush funds. To her own lack of political charm and charisma. To Bill being Bill. I definitely wouldn't rule out Biden at all.
Any presumptive Democratic nominee who finds a way to lose in the primaries to a no-name liberal black first term Senator from Chicago is not much of a candidate.

Compared to Obama, Sanders looks like FDR in terms of a primary threat to a presumptive nominee.  I would expect a guy like Sanders to wipe the floor with a hack like Hillary.
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