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Did anybody see anything in my post about the killing of police?moda0306 wrote: Calling people who verbalize their disapproval of some police officers' behavior is hardly being a police hater, and even if it were, it is hardly "responsible" for the killing of police.
If that is so, perhaps "muslim-haters" are responsible for the war crimes that the U.S. and Israel commit.
Oh wait, since we actually elect the criminals, and don't elect thugs that kill police, that would actually be far more accurate.
I fail to see the connection between so called "police haters" (so criticizing the cops now means one is a "police hater"? That makes no sense) and increased shooting by police of citizens.Reub wrote: With the whackos and liberals on these boards, in the White House, and in local governments attacking police throughout our land, shootings and deaths of black people have skyrocketed in the past few weeks. How stupid are you? Do black lives still matter to you now?
Black cops killing black civilians or black civilians killing black cops?Reub wrote: The increase in shootings and deaths are black on black civilian ones.
So what in the world does this have to do with the police? These aren't crimes that the police can actually prevent. They are just typical thugs and drug dealers killing each other.Reub wrote: The increase in shootings and deaths are black on black civilian ones.
1. Is there any evidence of increased victimization of non-criminals as opposed to just normal criminal-on-criminal violence?Simonjester wrote:i think what rube is hinting or pointing at is that since cops are the bad guy in the MSM right now, and guilty in the public eye, and charged to be tried in court by default (until later exonerated in court but not in the media)..... the cops in some areas (mostly Baltimore) have stepped back a bit and lowered their presence and visibility to avoid being the next victim, or out of revenge for the treatment, and the black on black, civilian on civilian (criminal on criminal) crime rate has jumped up because of it...Pointedstick wrote:So what in the world does this have to do with the police? These aren't crimes that the police can actually prevent. They are just typical thugs and drug dealers killing each other.Reub wrote: The increase in shootings and deaths are black on black civilian ones.
Simonjester wrote:
#1 i don't know any hard stats about the crime increases, i would guess if the crooks feel free to go after each other more than normal then they will be going after honest citizens more often as well
RE #2 and 3 -- not if the criminals are determined to do it...-- but a strong public presence and the feeling "they are on the job" and will come after you is likely a deterrent to a lot of crimes of opportunity just because the opportunity to get away with it is far less..
It's an eye-opening article. I think one could reasonably conclude that Baltimore has a substantial population of barbarians that must be routinely harassed oppressed by police to keep them in line. It's not pretty, but when the police stop doing that, chaos ensues. But in the end, the ones to blame are the residents themselves for putting up with this kind of thing. They're the parents of these thugs. They need to accept either periodic police brutality or open gangland warfare.Reub wrote: baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/alarming-surge-in-murders-and-shootings-in-baltimore/
Yes... apathy eventually ensues. If people aren't willing to take reasonable steps to protect themselves, I can't care that much considering all the things in life that deserve priority and CAN be helped.Pointedstick wrote:It's an eye-opening article. I think one could reasonably conclude that Baltimore has a substantial population of barbarians that must be routinely harassed oppressed by police to keep them in line. It's not pretty, but when the police stop doing that, chaos ensues. But in the end, the ones to blame are the residents themselves for putting up with this kind of thing. They're the parents of these thugs. They need to accept either periodic police brutality or open gangland warfare.Reub wrote: baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/alarming-surge-in-murders-and-shootings-in-baltimore/
Beyond that, I'm happy I don't live in a place like that but I must admit that--and while I understand that this must sound terribly callous--I simply don't particularly care. It's a local problem, and one that will likely ultimately solve itself in the form of black flight as the non-gangbanger types flee the city, enriching the surrounding communities with their presence, while the city itself descends into Thunderdome. What kind of sane person would want to live there, family ties or no? Once it's to the point where you have to fasten steel plates over your windows to deflect stray gunfire, it's time to leave.
This is almost too funny! Where in the living hell have you been since 2001? All empires in history without exception fall when the proverbial Praetorian guard starts feeding on the civilians (especially when the empire is bankrupt and can't pay them their salary). At that point you know you're in the end game for the deflationary collapse as emigration starts to outpace immigration. But given that we're in an era of currency issuing now, the game may have changed to become perpetual. We may wind up with many perpetual Thunderdomes (i.e. Detroit).moda0306 wrote: I'd just add, though, that to the extent we're going to wear our "cops are agents of the citizenry" cap, I think demanding a code of conduct by that kind of power is extremely important. I've seen the type of twisted logic folks get into when they start defending police brutality and corruption (as well as military/spy-state actions of the same sort on a larger scale), and more and more I'm starting to think that this kind of unchecked and well-organized power is one of the larger threats to our country.
There is absolutely nothing new about "currency issuing" other than the technical detail of using paper instead of debasing metallic currency; the latter "old technology" has been used for millennia.MachineGhost wrote:This is almost too funny! Where in the living hell have you been since 2001? All empires in history without exception fall when the proverbial Praetorian guard starts feeding on the civilians (especially when the empire is bankrupt and can't pay them their salary). At that point you know you're in the end game for the deflationary collapse. But given that we're in an era of currency issuing now, the game may have changed to become perpetual. We may wind up with many perpetual Thunderdomes.moda0306 wrote: I'd just add, though, that to the extent we're going to wear our "cops are agents of the citizenry" cap, I think demanding a code of conduct by that kind of power is extremely important. I've seen the type of twisted logic folks get into when they start defending police brutality and corruption (as well as military/spy-state actions of the same sort on a larger scale), and more and more I'm starting to think that this kind of unchecked and well-organized power is one of the larger threats to our country.
Sounds like a state-sponsored currency, regardless... why would you defend such a thing?Libertarian666 wrote:There is absolutely nothing new about "currency issuing" other than the technical detail of using paper instead of debasing metallic currency; the latter "old technology" has been used for millennia.MachineGhost wrote:This is almost too funny! Where in the living hell have you been since 2001? All empires in history without exception fall when the proverbial Praetorian guard starts feeding on the civilians (especially when the empire is bankrupt and can't pay them their salary). At that point you know you're in the end game for the deflationary collapse. But given that we're in an era of currency issuing now, the game may have changed to become perpetual. We may wind up with many perpetual Thunderdomes.moda0306 wrote: I'd just add, though, that to the extent we're going to wear our "cops are agents of the citizenry" cap, I think demanding a code of conduct by that kind of power is extremely important. I've seen the type of twisted logic folks get into when they start defending police brutality and corruption (as well as military/spy-state actions of the same sort on a larger scale), and more and more I'm starting to think that this kind of unchecked and well-organized power is one of the larger threats to our country.
The Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire lasted for hundreds of years after the Western Roman Empire fell. They (the Easterners) had sound money called the "bezant" during that time, and almost as soon as they started debasing it, they fell too. What a coincidence!
The nice thing is, when People X (whatever kind of people they might be, and whomever they might hate) are responsible for dozens of deaths, guess what happens? Dozens of them are tried and dozens of them are convicted for those deaths. Not the same number as the number of deaths, but a pretty high percentage. Isn't that nice?Idiotic Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
It was a fixed weight of gold for about 800 years. Yes, it had a stamp on it from the state, but the stamp doesn't mean anything if they are debasing it.moda0306 wrote:Sounds like a state-sponsored currency, regardless... why would you defend such a thing?Libertarian666 wrote:There is absolutely nothing new about "currency issuing" other than the technical detail of using paper instead of debasing metallic currency; the latter "old technology" has been used for millennia.MachineGhost wrote: This is almost too funny! Where in the living hell have you been since 2001? All empires in history without exception fall when the proverbial Praetorian guard starts feeding on the civilians (especially when the empire is bankrupt and can't pay them their salary). At that point you know you're in the end game for the deflationary collapse. But given that we're in an era of currency issuing now, the game may have changed to become perpetual. We may wind up with many perpetual Thunderdomes.
The Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire lasted for hundreds of years after the Western Roman Empire fell. They (the Easterners) had sound money called the "bezant" during that time, and almost as soon as they started debasing it, they fell too. What a coincidence!
)I'd say don't conflate resource scarcity with unlimited electrons. Under the former, debasing is bad. Under the latter, debasing is bad only past the point it supersedes productivity monetization. Guess which era we're in now?Libertarian666 wrote: The Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire lasted for hundreds of years after the Western Roman Empire fell. They (the Easterners) had sound money called the "bezant" during that time, and almost as soon as they started debasing it, they fell too. What a coincidence!
Regardless of variance and trends up or down, on an absolute basis Baltimore does not look like a great place to live from a crime viewpoint relative to the US average. Ugh! No wonder the police are crabby. Oh give me land, lots of land and open skies, don't fence me in; especially in a concrete jungleTennPaGa wrote: When I see an inflammatory accusation like this, i.e.
orReub's subject line wrote:Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
... my first response is to ask the question: Is the observation even true? That is, it is true that shooting deaths of black people by other blacks has skyrocketed?Reub wrote: With the whackos and liberals on these boards, in the White House, and in local governments attacking police throughout our land, shootings and deaths of black people by other blacks have skyrocketed in the past few weeks. How short-sighted are you? Do black lives still matter to you now?
The only piece of data you've even indirectly provided was this tiny bit from the cbslocal link:
Note that this doesn't say anything about whether it is blacks shooting other blacks.Her 33-year-old son Louis is now one of 96 homicides in Baltimore this year–an undercurrent of violence that’s up almost one-third from this time last year.
In any case, my question here is: Is a 33% increase significant? How does this compare with the natural variation in the number of Baltimore homicides? That is, show me a month-to-month plot of Batimore homicides over, say, a 10 year period, and let me see if there is really a spike, or if it is just the inherent variability.
Until then, why should I not view your fear over this increase the same way that I and others (including you!) look at buddtholomew panicking over one-day movements in elements of the PP? (sorry budd)
As for your accusation that "police haters" or "whackos or liberals on these boards in the White House, and in local governments" are somehow responsible... Well, I would expect such an accusation from a right wing extremist. But if you want people to take you seriously, it would be good to provide some information that shows causation exists, or at least maybe exists. Or that there is some kind of link.
For example... My guess is there are people who are members of the groups you disapprove of all over the country. Are homicides up everywhere?
Right, this time it's different.MachineGhost wrote:I'd say don't conflate resource scarcity with unlimited electrons. Under the former, debasing is bad. Under the latter, debasing is bad only past the point it supersedes productivity monetization. Guess which era we're in now?Libertarian666 wrote: The Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire lasted for hundreds of years after the Western Roman Empire fell. They (the Easterners) had sound money called the "bezant" during that time, and almost as soon as they started debasing it, they fell too. What a coincidence!
And BTW its not about gold. Its about confidence. And whatever people have confidence in, is money. Which is why Byzantine copied the Aureus. The metaphysical allure of confidence is very important for money to work as a medium-of-exchange. Gold is no longer money.
Exactly. Only, the point at which it isn't still turns out to be remarkably difficult to guess. You said you've owned gold for 40 years, right? The collapse sure is taking its time…Libertarian666 wrote: Right, this time it's different.
Until it isn't.
Yes, timing is always very difficult.Pointedstick wrote:Exactly. Only, the point at which it isn't still turns out to be remarkably difficult to guess. You said you've owned gold for 40 years, right? The collapse sure it taking its time…Libertarian666 wrote: Right, this time it's different.
Until it isn't.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/2 ... -shooting/Pointedstick wrote:It's an eye-opening article. I think one could reasonably conclude that Baltimore has a substantial population of barbarians that must be routinely harassed oppressed by police to keep them in line. It's not pretty, but when the police stop doing that, chaos ensues. But in the end, the ones to blame are the residents themselves for putting up with this kind of thing. They're the parents of these thugs. They need to accept either periodic police brutality or open gangland warfare.Reub wrote: baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/alarming-surge-in-murders-and-shootings-in-baltimore/
Beyond that, I'm happy I don't live in a place like that but I must admit that--and while I understand that this must sound terribly callous--I simply don't particularly care. It's a local problem, and one that will likely ultimately solve itself in the form of black flight as the non-gangbanger types flee the city, enriching the surrounding communities with their presence, while the city itself descends into Thunderdome. What kind of sane person would want to live there, family ties or no? Once it's to the point where you have to fasten steel plates over your windows to deflect stray gunfire, it's time to leave.