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Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:35 pm
by murphy_p_t
What is the significance of this for bond investors / speculators?

Of course, as part of PP, I expect its insignificant.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-2 ... ce-7-years

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:47 am
by MachineGhost
murphy_p_t wrote: What is the significance of this for bond investors / speculators?

Of course, as part of PP, I expect its insignificant.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-2 ... ce-7-years
Recession.  And an inverted yield curve is one of the Achille's Heels of the PP, so it is NOT insignificant.

Boy, the hubris and contentment of the PP lately is getting sickening.  It's been losing ground for 3 years, yet you're all eternal believers. ::)

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 11:05 am
by bluedog
MG,

Curious...what are your thoughts on asset allocation then?

Thx,
Bluedog :)

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 11:11 am
by MachineGhost
bluedog wrote: MG,

Curious...what are your thoughts on asset allocation then?

Thx,
Bluedog :)
I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't think we will know until we actually suffer through it and then we can look back and see what would have mitigated the damage, if at all.  But certainly a higher percentage to cash would weather a Tight Money / Inverted Yield Curve condition better than anything else.

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 11:39 am
by rickb
MachineGhost wrote:
bluedog wrote: MG,

Curious...what are your thoughts on asset allocation then?

Thx,
Bluedog :)
I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't think we will know until we actually suffer through it and then we can look back and see what would have mitigated the damage, if at all.  But certainly a higher percentage to cash would weather a Tight Money / Inverted Yield Curve condition better than anything else.
This thread from last year might be worth reviewing:

http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/pe ... servation/

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:50 am
by AdamA
MachineGhost wrote: It's been losing ground for 3 years, yet you're all eternal believers. ::)
2011 10.5%
2012  6.8%
2013 -3.5%

How's it been losing ground for 3 years?

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:43 am
by ns3
AdamA wrote:
MachineGhost wrote: It's been losing ground for 3 years, yet you're all eternal believers. ::)
2011 10.5%
2012  6.8%
2013 -3.5%

How's it been losing ground for 3 years?
I'm still a believer but your figures don't dispute the accuracy of MG's observation. Looks like losing ground for 3 years to me.

Re: Treasury Yield Curve Collapses At Fastest Pace In 7 Years

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 1:16 pm
by MachineGhost
I guess its a matter of perspective.  The PP has been underwater for 1.5 years not 3 (that is the Max Yield version I think), even if its not been losing 1.5 years in a row.  I was firmly thinking of the equity curve, not the yearly returns.  I ran an updated backtest:

[img width=825 height=825]http://i62.tinypic.com/rc0fpd.png[/img]

[img width=825 height=825]http://i62.tinypic.com/2nhg6qb.png[/img]