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43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:10 am
by MachineGhost
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Jan 1970: 8.84% CAR, -18.38% MaxDD
Feb 1970: 8.80% CAR, -21.41% MaxDD
Mar 1970: 8.74% CAR, -24.20% MaxDD
Apr 1970: 8.68% CAR, -27.07% MaxDD
May 1970: 8.70% CAR, -26.37% MaxDD
Jun 1970: 8.77% CAR, -25.54% MaxDD
Jul 1970: 8.77% CAR, -25.54% MaxDD
Aug 1970: 8.78% CAR, -25.01% MaxDD
Sep 1970: 8.81% CAR, -23.79% MaxDD
Oct 1970: 8.71% CAR, -22.75% MaxDD
Nov 1970: 8.71% CAR, -22.53% MaxDD
Dec 1970: 8.76% CAR, -21.77% MaxDD
Its quite possible for the MaxDD to be even more worse as monthly 20-year TBond prices could have hid some extra risk between 1970 and 1973. But I don't recall there being any negative bond shocks during that time. Whats more bothersome to me is not including the 1968-1970 stock bear market which was a generational worst since 1929-1933 (at least until the even more brutal one in 1973-1974!).
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:26 am
by frugal
Thank you for sharing.
I'm thinking to open US-HB-PP.
For an european person, where shall I open account safely?
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:01 am
by sophie
Wow MG, where did you get that data??
And does it take rebalancing into account, or does it assume monthly rebalances? Also what did you use for gold prices pre 1972?
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:00 pm
by AgAuMoney
Interesting choice of starting year...
Was gold using the london fix data? Also the Krugerrand was introduced in 1967, making 1968 the first year it was easy to invest in physical gold in nice 1oz units at a reasonably small premium to spot.
There are hundreds of years of gold price history.
Simple annual summary:
http://www.onlygold.com/TutorialPages/p ... 0yrsfs.htm
More detailed with various market breakdown:
http://measuringworth.com/gold/ has the official british price of gold since 1257 to 1945, london market price since 1718, U.S. official price since 1786 and the NY market price since 1791. Some years are missing, e.g. London was closed for a few years in the 20th century.
There are more detailed sources for various markets. E.g. the LBMA makes available their daily fixes since 1968 (they also provide a monthly average) for both gold and silver.
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:00 pm
by MachineGhost
sophie wrote:
And does it take rebalancing into account, or does it assume monthly rebalances? Also what did you use for gold prices pre 1972?
It is annually rebalanced (no transaction costs or taxes) and I used the daily London gold fix and monthly 20-year T-Bonds before 5/1973. You can get the gold at gold.org and the T-Bonds at FRED.
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:12 pm
by Ad Orientem
Wow. I'm duly impressed.
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:35 pm
by MediumTex
How did you get a 7.5% loss in 2008?
Most PP figures for 2008 range from a 2% loss to basically even.
Re: 45 Years of the PP
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:42 am
by Ad Orientem
In 2008 TLT returned 33.76% according to MSN Money
http://investing.money.msn.com/investme ... symbol=tlt
They also say that it beat the index by a wide margin.
Re: 42+ Years of the PP
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:45 am
by annieB
This is excellent work MG.
Do you ever sleep?
Re: 42+ Years of the PP
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:47 pm
by MachineGhost
annieB wrote:This is excellent work MG.
Do you ever sleep?
Not when I got money burning a hole in my pocket begging for unobtrusive answers!
Slotine wrote:
Is it possible to break that out into a percentage drawdown graph?
Your wish is my command! See the OP.
Re: 43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:13 pm
by meamakim
Very interesting chart! I assume the first year started with the 4x25 allocations.
Was it re-balanced yearly according to the 15/35 boundary rule? Or was it rebalanced back to 4x25 each year?
Thanks!
Re: 43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:19 pm
by MachineGhost
Back to 4x25 each 366 days. I can't program the rebalancing bands yet.
Be aware I used 3yr TNotes not T-Bills. T-Bills will push the MAxDD down to about -22%. However, I've stopped using them because I-Bonds or E-Bonds or CD ladders won't provide any buffering capital gains like TNotes do (on the secondary market anyway).
Re: 43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:46 pm
by meamakim
Rebalanced to 4x25% each year sounds like a good idea. I wonder if that works even better than the 15/35 bands?
Did you happen to come up with an average rate return?
Thanks again!
Re: 43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:51 pm
by Ad Orientem
meamakim wrote:
Rebalanced to 4x25% each year sounds like a good idea. I wonder if that works even better than the 15/35 bands?
Did you happen to come up with an average rate return?
Thanks again!
Probably gives you a somewhat smoother ride but there are some drawbacks. It will likely reduce your long term returns because you may be cutting off a hot asset class too soon and not letting it run to 35%. And it will likely increase your tax bill. Rebalancing creates a tax event. And taxes are just like expenses and fees. The tyranny of negative compound interest is the bane of long term returns.
Re: 43+ Years of the PP
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:04 am
by MachineGhost
meamakim wrote:
Did you happen to come up with an average rate return?
I edited the OP to show the returns.