Historical Gun Bans Leading To Mass-Government Led Genocide

[TripleB]

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 6 million Jews and millions of others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Approximate number of people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century due to “gun
Control“: 56 million.

[TripleB]

For those who say that can't happen in the US, in 1944, the US Supreme Court ruled it constitutional for Japanese Americans to be rounded up into internment camps. After private gun ownership restrictions, the next step for genocide is rounding up the people you want to murder into camps to control their execution. And we've done that.

[Pointedstick]

For those who say that can't happen in the US, in 1944, the US Supreme Court ruled it constitutional for Japanese Americans to be rounded up into internment camps. After private gun ownership restrictions, the next step for genocide is rounding up the people you want to murder into camps to control their execution. And we've done that.

This period of American history is absolutely chilling to me. I always wonder how supporters of government feel about this.

I mean, can you imagine how utterly terrifying such a thing would be? Imagine Federal agents come to your door and haul you away at gunpoint for forced relocation to a prison camp on American soil, complete with barbed wire, guard towers, and machine gun emplacements. Think it can't happen? It already did!

[TripleB]

I mean, can you imagine how utterly terrifying such a thing would be? Imagine Federal agents come to your door and haul you away at gunpoint for forced relocation to a prison camp on American soil, complete with barbed wire, guard towers, and machine gun emplacements. Think it can't happen? It already did!

Not only did it happen, but our systems of checks and balances, the Supreme Court, ruled it to be constitutional at the time!

[Storm]

It's pretty unlikely that in a nation of 300 million weapons, the government could really take them all away...

[TripleB]

It's pretty unlikely that in a nation of 300 million weapons, the government could really take them all away...

They could take them away from all law-abiding citizens as simply as banning them. Then anyone who refused to turn their guns in become de facto criminals.

[doodle]

For those who say that can't happen in the US, in 1944, the US Supreme Court ruled it constitutional for Japanese Americans to be rounded up into internment camps. After private gun ownership restrictions, the next step for genocide is rounding up the people you want to murder into camps to control their execution. And we've done that.

This period of American history is absolutely chilling to me. I always wonder how supporters of government feel about this.

I mean, can you imagine how utterly terrifying such a thing would be? Imagine Federal agents come to your door and haul you away at gunpoint for forced relocation to a prison camp on American soil, complete with barbed wire, guard towers, and machine gun emplacements. Think it can't happen? It already did!

What would you have done? Would you have opened fire on the federal agents knowing that you and your family are going to get gunned down in a blaze of glory? Really, do you think this is actually what you would have done? Federal agents go into armed peoples houses all the time. The only difference is that if they suspect you have firearms the entrance procedure usually involves a concussion grenade through the window and a swat team kicking down your front door. Not that I'm saying that this is right or condoning it, but I don't think you would shoot back. I think you would put your face on the floor and pray that they showed you mercy. Maybe you are Rambo....but I doubt it.

[MediumTex]

For those who say that can't happen in the US, in 1944, the US Supreme Court ruled it constitutional for Japanese Americans to be rounded up into internment camps. After private gun ownership restrictions, the next step for genocide is rounding up the people you want to murder into camps to control their execution. And we've done that.

This period of American history is absolutely chilling to me. I always wonder how supporters of government feel about this.

I mean, can you imagine how utterly terrifying such a thing would be? Imagine Federal agents come to your door and haul you away at gunpoint for forced relocation to a prison camp on American soil, complete with barbed wire, guard towers, and machine gun emplacements. Think it can't happen? It already did!

What would you have done? Would you have opened fire on the federal agents knowing that you and your family are going to get gunned down in a blaze of glory? Really, do you think this is actually what you would have done? Federal agents go into armed peoples houses all the time. The only difference is that if they suspect you have firearms the entrance procedure usually involves a concussion grenade through the window and a swat team kicking down your front door. Not that I'm saying that this is right or condoning it, but I don't think you would shoot back. I think you would put your face on the floor and pray that they showed you mercy. Maybe you are Rambo....but I doubt it.

I would say that dropping two nuclear weapons on civilian populations was way more chilling than setting up concentration camps.

Our culture is simply far more violent than we like to admit to ourselves.

In the whole 20th century with all of its violence, brutality and repression, only one nation used nuclear weapons, and that nation used them on non-military targets with the intention of inflicting as many civilian casualties as possible in order to demoralize and terrorize the enemy.

If you were an alien doing a flyover of earth and looked in on human affairs, who would you conclude was the more dangerous person, Osama bin Laden or Harry Truman?

The U.S. has the finest violence delivery mechanism in the history of the world in the form of the U.S. military.

The U.S. thinks nothing of killing people in foreign locations that we don't like, as well as domestic criminals that commit certain crimes we don't like.  No other industrialized nation engages in such arbitrary military action against foreigners and such draconian criminal actions against its own people. 

We are violent.  It's not that the movies and video games made us violent, it's that we were violent to start with and these products simply appealed to our violent cultural predispositions.

It would be like cooking steaks for a group of tigers and when they devoured them suggesting that the steaks caused the tigers to like eating meat.

People project onto the gun debate the qualities in ourselves with which we are uneasy, imagining that if we can get the right gun controls in place it will make us better people.

While I usually think that Michael Moore is a pompous windbag, I did like the bit in Bowling for Columbine where he was touring the missile manufacturing plant in the city and asked the person doing the tour whether there might be any connection between parents who build missiles and bombs for a living and children who build bombs and act out violently at school.  The spirit of the response was something to the effect of "But these bombs and missiles are only used to kill BAD people."

[RuralEngineer]

What would you have done? Would you have opened fire on the federal agents knowing that you and your family are going to get gunned down in a blaze of glory? Really, do you think this is actually what you would have done? Federal agents go into armed peoples houses all the time. The only difference is that if they suspect you have firearms the entrance procedure usually involves a concussion grenade through the window and a swat team kicking down your front door. Not that I'm saying that this is right or condoning it, but I don't think you would shoot back. I think you would put your face on the floor and pray that they showed you mercy. Maybe you are Rambo....but I doubt it.

If you're a coward unwilling to risk your life for your beliefs, that's your cross to bear.  History is full of people willing to fight and die in order to even have the slightest chance to be free.  It's happening today in Syria, and yes, they are dying but also winning.

If I knew they were rounding up people who looked like me and putting them in internment camps, I would absolutely fight.  Remember, the exact same actions were taken with the Jews in Germany as the Japanese in the U.S.  The EXACT SAME.  The difference is we didn't install gas showers and crematoriums in our camps here.  But when they come to haul you away, they don't provide an itinerary for your stay.

[Pointedstick]

What would you have done? Would you have opened fire on the federal agents knowing that you and your family are going to get gunned down in a blaze of glory? Really, do you think this is actually what you would have done? Federal agents go into armed peoples houses all the time. The only difference is that if they suspect you have firearms the entrance procedure usually involves a concussion grenade through the window and a swat team kicking down your front door. Not that I'm saying that this is right or condoning it, but I don't think you would shoot back. I think you would put your face on the floor and pray that they showed you mercy. Maybe you are Rambo....but I doubt it.

Had I been a law-abiding Asian-American U.S. citizen, you bet your bottom dollar I would have fought them. My Jewish ancestors were rounded up in the same manner, only to find that their captors intended to murder them rather than simply kidnap them for a few years (how generous of FDR). My own family history shows the danger of capitulating to people who obviously intend to do you ill. The police advise private citizens to always fight kidnapping attempts, because someone who tries to forcibly move you to another location never has good intentions, because the only reason they want to move you is to put you in a place where they can victimize you more easily. Why should this advice not be heeded if a government tried to do the same?

Maybe I would have died. Maybe it would have turned out to be a foolish decision because they never intended to murder me, only separate my from my wife and child for "national security." How would I have been supposed to know that? My Jewish ancestors made similar relatively sane-sounding assumptions that their kidnappers did not intend to murder them, and it turned out to be fatal.

But before any of this happened to begin with, I would have tried my best to get my ass and my family's asses out of Dodge, as in fact some my my ancestors did (which is why I exist and can write this). There's usually time to flee before the armed men round you up and put you in extermination internment camps.


Don't you all get it? A gun isn't a magical talisman, it's something that gives you the choice to fight back. It doesn't guarantee you'll win that fight. It doesn't teleport you out of the country. But it lets you fight the people who would hurt you if you so choose.