Limited Taxable Space: Stocks Or Gold Coins In Taxable?

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Limited Taxable Space: Stocks Or Gold Coins In Taxable?

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I have a great problem—limited taxable space. Currently I am 100% tax-sheltered accounts and I won't have the ability to max out my shelters, and contribute to taxable beyond that, for about 1 year.

Once I start putting assets in taxable, I am unsure whether to put Gold Coins or Stocks in these accounts. My first thought is to put stocks first, to about $10k or so, and then buy gold coins.

My reasoning is that I do not have an "emergency fund," nor do I need one. I have a steady job, great credit, small monthly expenses, and a large Roth IRA that I can remove principal contributions from, tax and penalty free, for about 3 years worth of living expenses (as vested principal contributions). Of course, I don't want to tap into my Roth IRA as an emergency fund, unless it's an emergency.

Thus, my thought is to build up around $10k of stocks in taxable, with my first non-sheltered assets. If I have an emergency, I can sell the stocks (preferably at long-term capital gains rates, if they've been held >1 year), and simultaneously within my tax-shelters, exchange other assets for stocks, to retain an appropriate 4x25 asset allocation. Even though I "sold" stocks to pay for the emergency, I didn't really lose the market position, and what I really sold was whatever asset happened to be overweight in the portfolio at the time; it's just that I accessed that asset through tricky maneuvering.

After the $10k, then I am thinking of buying gold coins. The reason for not buying the coins first in taxable, is that if I have to liquidate them for the emergency, I lost about a 3% spread, minimum on that gold. Whereas if I sell stocks, I only lost the transaction costs of a few dollars. Also, selling stocks means I can ACH the money to my checking account within a few days. Selling gold might mean I have to wait 2 weeks for a large check from a coin shop to clear.

I am considering buying a house within the next 2 to 3 years, and if so, I will use all of my taxable savings as the downpayment. If I do that, and I have to liquidate gold coins, I have 2 problems:

1) I have to deal with that 3% spread
2) I cant prove to the bank that I had the money for 6 months prior to the mortgage.

Banks like to see that you actually had the downpayment money, and it wasn't a gift from your relatives. If it was a gift, you probably can't afford the monthly payments, according to their logic. I assume if I have $50k worth of stocks in my brokerage account for 6 months leading up to the mortgage request, then that should be sufficient. I don't think banks actually expect me to keep the $50k in a 0% savings account for 6 months.

If I tried to do this with gold, I'd have to take a picture of the gold coins next to a newspaper everyday for 6 months, like a kidnap victim, to prove I had the gold. After I buy the house, I'll likely be prepaying the mortgage with any additional money I have beyond my annual tax-shelters (401k/IRA/HSA/IBonds). That would mean I won't have any taxable savings for 10 to 15 years with which to buy gold coins.

I really like the idea of first putting gold coins in taxable, rather than stocks, however it doesn't seem workable to me in my situation. Perhaps if I have an enormous win-fall of money, I can just put most of that into gold coins, and exchange my gold ETFs within my tax-sheltered accounts into cash/stocks/bonds to retain the 4x25 structure, instantly making my PP portfolio about 25% bigger, and spending the rest of the win-fall on H&B ;D
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Re: Limited Taxable Space: Stocks Or Gold Coins In Taxable?

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Two small side comments:
* it's windfall, not win-fall
* You might not have much in taxable at present, but you have unlimited taxable space. ;-)

What about putting both gold coins and stocks in taxable at the same time?
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Re: Limited Taxable Space: Stocks Or Gold Coins In Taxable?

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It seems like you've thought this through, and probably either approach would be OK.

Though, be careful about counting on taxable stocks or gold to work as liquid assets.  Remember that they are volatile (as are bonds), and there's always the chance that they will be down at the precise moment you need to liquidate them.  It's possible that your $10k downpayment fund in stocks could be worth $5k at the moment you want to buy a house.  So if I were using a volatile asset for these purposes, and I needed at least $X liquid, I'd keep at least $2X available.

I prefer to KISS and keep some PP cash in a taxable account for emergency/liquidity purposes.  It's sub-optimal tax-wise, but cash is convenient to transact and I don't have the volatility issue to deal with.  If I were in your shoes I'd build up taxable cash until I had enough to cover the house and conceivable emergencies, then follow conventional advice and buy taxable bullion.
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