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Re: Idiotic Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:39 pm
by MachineGhost
You know what? Fuck the police! This is what we need against those black asswipes that don't think nothing of executing innocent people:
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Mark my words. It's gonna happen. We have no choice.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:28 am
by Reub
The Ferguson effect starts new nationwide crime wave:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-nat ... 1432938425
Thanks cop haters!
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:33 am
by Libertarian666
So people (criminals) aren't responsible for their own actions, but people (non-criminals) ARE responsible for the actions of others?
Thanks for clearing that up!
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:57 pm
by MachineGhost
That's too right wing. I would call it "The New Black Nation Crime Wave."
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:54 pm
by moda0306
Reub wrote:
Please stop using the word "black". Someone is going to mistake you for a racist.
Nobody light a match in here, between the straw men and the hot air, we might start a fire.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:17 am
by Benko
MachineGhost wrote:
That's too right wing. I would call it "The New Black Nation Crime Wave."
How about "the planned crime wave" since this was an inevitable result of the anti-police rhetoric/violence. And why would anyone want to incite a crime wave?
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:17 am
by dualstow
Reub wrote:
Do black lives still matter to you now?
Well yes. But I think the slogan belies the fact that the police are equal opportunity shooters.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:25 pm
by Benko
TennPA,
Preface: I am in no way defending police who behave inappropriately.
To address your questions:
"2. Even if crime has increased, I disagree with the notion that calling attention to overzealous police is somehow to blame."
I do not agree with your premise and think a hell of a lot more has been done than to simply "call attention to overzealous police". It is important to police the police and make sure that the abuses don't happen. No question. This does not have to be done in a way as to stir things up (unless you want to stir things up).
Why increased crime in inevitable. I've lost track of which cop incident is which, but the one where the criminal robs a store, and winds up grabbing a policeman's gun and surprise gets shot. That clear cut a case (Ferguson?) causes an uproar. Any sane cop is going to A. yes go out of his way to not do anything inappropriate (that is a good thing), but also B. avoid any grey zone cases (and life is full of grey zones). C. It would not shock me and I think it likely that a number of cops will say fuck it, why should I risk my life when I can even get in trouble for defending myself. I'll play it safer and avoid situations where I might get into a situation that the news could portray me as being wrong. There are other variants.
So yes, the result of the last months are very likely less inappropriate cop behavior. Congratulations!
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:34 pm
by Benko
PS presumably the people who did the inciting wanted the predictable results of their actions. As to why, I wanted the opinions of this group. I don't know.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:47 pm
by Pointedstick
Benko wrote:
PS presumably the people who did the inciting wanted the predictable results of their actions. As to why, I wanted the opinions of this group. I don't know.
I think you are underestimating the extent to which liberal elites live in fantasylands.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:00 pm
by Reub
A plot to behead a policeman in Boston by a Muslim extremist was foiled today when the terrorist was shot dead.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/boston ... id/648429/
You crazy, police hating, ISIS enablers must be outraged!
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:31 pm
by Benko
You can read the papers/web and see what was said by O, Holder, media and usual suspects about these incidents. These are the people IMHO responsible. The consequences of their actions are obvious as i stated above.
So one is left with, wondering if the unpleasant consequences are:
A. Unintended.
B. Planned i.e. a feature, not a bug.
and I take it back. I suppose it is at least as likely PS is correct, then the other.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:09 pm
by Pointedstick
I have no reason to believe that anyone in power is actually out to vilify and kill police. They depend on police to maintain their power!
Rather, many of the left-leaning people in power have a schizophrenic love-hate relationship with the police than manifests itself in this awkward way. These people have a terror of crime and desperately want it to go down so that they can feel safe (feeling safe being critical to modern leftism), but are unwilling to admit that the procedure for doing so is, shall we say, not pleasant to witness. Furthermore, they are not willing to admit that black people commit the majority of the crime in most parts of the USA where they live. Police--many of them black themselves (usually of the middle-class rather than ghetto variety)--know this and act accordingly, but the problem is that focusing on the people most likely to commit crime (ghetto-looking black men aged 14-28) looks terribly racist from a PC perspective and may in fact violate federal laws or even the constitution (see NYC's stop-and-frisk policy, which I hear was effective, albeit unconstitutional). Leftists hate this stuff, but they also hate crime. This seems to lead to to wild gyrations in their territories in which the law enforcement infrastructure will be muzzled until crime rises and reforms are enacted, which control crime until prominent abuses cause them to be muzzled again, which increases crime, and so on forever because they never figure it out. Liberal cities with large black populations constantly undergo these cycles of urban decay, rampant crime, gentrification, pearl-clutching at police abuse, and back to urban decay again.
Right-leaning elites, by contrast, manage to avoid this pickle by being fine with disparately targeting black people, violating their constitutional rights, and killing some innocent ones every once in a while. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and all that. They're really not very concerned about it.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:53 pm
by MachineGhost
Reub wrote:
You crazy, police hating, ISIS enablers must be outraged!
<stomps a jack-boot> in tune with
We Will Rock You.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:20 pm
by Greg
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -decision/
More people doing angry things due to perceived injustices.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:28 pm
by jafs
Pointedstick wrote:
I have no reason to believe that anyone in power is actually out to vilify and kill police. They depend on police to maintain their power!
Rather, many of the left-leaning people in power have a schizophrenic love-hate relationship with the police than manifests itself in this awkward way. These people have a terror of crime and desperately want it to go down so that they can feel safe (feeling safe being critical to modern leftism), but are unwilling to admit that the procedure for doing so is, shall we say, not pleasant to witness. Furthermore, they are not willing to admit that black people commit the majority of the crime in most parts of the USA where they live. Police--many of them black themselves (usually of the middle-class rather than ghetto variety)--know this and act accordingly, but the problem is that focusing on the people most likely to commit crime (ghetto-looking black men aged 14-28) looks terribly racist from a PC perspective and may in fact violate federal laws or even the constitution (see NYC's stop-and-frisk policy, which I hear was effective, albeit unconstitutional). Leftists hate this stuff, but they also hate crime. This seems to lead to to wild gyrations in their territories in which the law enforcement infrastructure will be muzzled until crime rises and reforms are enacted, which control crime until prominent abuses cause them to be muzzled again, which increases crime, and so on forever because they never figure it out. Liberal cities with large black populations constantly undergo these cycles of urban decay, rampant crime, gentrification, pearl-clutching at police abuse, and back to urban decay again.
Right-leaning elites, by contrast, manage to avoid this pickle by being fine with disparately targeting black people, violating their constitutional rights, and killing some innocent ones every once in a while. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and all that. They're really not very concerned about it.
Why do you think stop and frisk was effective? The stats I find over a period of about 12 years show little effectiveness, either in finding drugs/weapons, or in preventing/reducing crime.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:54 pm
by Pointedstick
I'll be happy if it was no more effective than less invasive and more constitutionally permissible policing strategies!
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:58 pm
by Libertarian666
Pointedstick wrote:
I'll be happy if it was no more effective than less invasive and more constitutionally permissible policing strategies!
Because then they would stop doing it?
Ha ha.
Re: Police Haters Responsible For Hundreds Of Shootings And Dozens Of Deaths
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:03 pm
by MachineGhost
Reub would say something like they're just brainwashed liberal thugs using any excuse to act violent.