Biden/Harris Discussion

[yankees60]

Joe Biden said that his vice president needs to be capable of being president because he is so old.

"I can think of at least eight women, at least four or five people of color, that I think are totally qualified to be vice president of the United States," the former vice president, 77, said at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa on Tuesday.

"But for me, it has to be demonstrated that whoever I pick is two things: One, is capable of [being] president because I'm an old guy," Biden said as some in the crowd laughed. "No, I'm serious. Look, I thank God I'm in great health. I work out. No, I'm serious. You know, I work out every morning. I'm in good shape — knock on wood, as my mother would say."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... an-old-guy

Does anyone else find it weird how often Biden refers to (mostly) what his father used to say? This may have been the first time I heard him refer to what his mother said.

He's 77. Born in the 1940s. His parents may well have been born around the turn of the last century! Does not he or anyone else on his campaign staff think that younger people are not going to relate to what people born about 120 years old used to say?

One of his biggest liabilities is his age. And, there he goes compounding it by bringing into his comments people even MORE ancient than him!

I've had my eye on him for 30 years now (always disliking him).

I'm sure most of you have not.

But pay attention to the way he'll repeat a sentence exactly the way kindergarten teachers teach their students.

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.


Vinny

[Cortopassi]

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.

How much dislike? To not vote, or to vote for Trump, or to hold your nose and vote for him anyway? Were you in NY or a state that doesn't matter anyway?

[yankees60]

Also, she barely qualifies for one of the two main requirements of the post: African-American genes. Yeah she has some but she's equally of Indian (Asian) descent. And her father was a Stanford professor. Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

In light of your comment, it's ironic that KH is an alumni of Howard University, the most notable black university in the US, established by Freedmen shortly after the Civil War.
Also as to barely qualifying as African-American, under Plessy v. Fergusen which set forth the SCOTUS basis for the Jim Crow period, Plessy was 1/8 "African blood" and still deemed non-white. KH is clearly more than that, so she would have been excluded from white only facilities in the Jim Crow period which probably makes her black enough to be more than barely.

Thinking it through logically, with two Phd parents one a Stanford grad and the other UC Berkeley .....guessing she made a conscious choice to go to Howard, possibly a values based decision because it would not have been convenient nor as lucrative as an Ivy League university.

This is an email discussion between myself and a friend over the last 15 minutes or so:

Friend: Harris’s parents divorced when she was 7. She was raised by his mother and doesn’t speak about her father.

Me: You are saying that after the divorce she did not maintain a relationship with him?

Friend: That is what it looks like. There was no mention of him in her memoir for the time after the divorce.

Vinny

[yankees60]

How many people have had the opportunity the live off the Government for this long ?

Had never seen "forty" spelled the way it was in that tweet.

Quick Bing search brought me this: "Forty is the written form of the number 40. Fourty is a spelling error for Americans and Britons alike. You can remember to always use forty by noticing that forty contains the word for, and forty is correct for everyone. Fourty is never a correct spelling."

Vinny

[Libertarian666]

@Xan,

Just curiosity, either tech purposely ignores me or has me on ignore. So what does a person see who has someone on ignore? Any post done by the "offender" just not showing up? How about embedded quotes from the "offender" in other's posts?

Thanks.

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I have Cortopassi on ignore because he seems to be unwilling to discuss anything without his TDS getting in the way.

[Libertarian666]

Joe Biden said that his vice president needs to be capable of being president because he is so old.

"I can think of at least eight women, at least four or five people of color, that I think are totally qualified to be vice president of the United States," the former vice president, 77, said at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa on Tuesday.

"But for me, it has to be demonstrated that whoever I pick is two things: One, is capable of [being] president because I'm an old guy," Biden said as some in the crowd laughed. "No, I'm serious. Look, I thank God I'm in great health. I work out. No, I'm serious. You know, I work out every morning. I'm in good shape — knock on wood, as my mother would say."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... an-old-guy

Does anyone else find it weird how often Biden refers to (mostly) what his father used to say? This may have been the first time I heard him refer to what his mother said.

He's 77. Born in the 1940s. His parents may well have been born around the turn of the last century! Does not he or anyone else on his campaign staff think that younger people are not going to relate to what people born about 120 years old used to say?

One of his biggest liabilities is his age. And, there he goes compounding it by bringing into his comments people even MORE ancient than him!

I've had my eye on him for 30 years now (always disliking him).

I'm sure most of you have not.

But pay attention to the way he'll repeat a sentence exactly the way kindergarten teachers teach their students.

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.

Vinny

I think he has competition in those respects from his VP candidate.

[jalanlong]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

[Libertarian666]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

Probably mostly the latter, although I'm sure that whatever they do won't be even-handed. They'll reward their friends and punish their enemies.

[stuper1]

I'm sorry, I find a lot of the discussion about the candidates here very juvenile, focusing on speech patterns and likability, etc. as if this was an election for junior high class president. Who cares if the guy or gal is likable? What are the policies they stand for? Are they for bigger government or smaller government?

[shekels]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

This may give a hint.

Joe Biden Says Wear a Mask For Next 3 Months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hmaw35V4Nk

Be a Patriot..

[shekels]

How many people have had the opportunity the live off the Government for this long ?

Had never seen "forty" spelled the way it was in that tweet.

Quick Bing search brought me this: "Forty is the written form of the number 40. Fourty is a spelling error for Americans and Britons alike. You can remember to always use forty by noticing that forty contains the word for, and forty is correct for everyone. Fourty is never a correct spelling."

Vinny

Yea I think he meant to say Forty-Ate

[yankees60]

I'm sorry, I find a lot of the discussion about the candidates here very juvenile, focusing on speech patterns and likability, etc. as if this was an election for junior high class president. Who cares if the guy or gal is likable? What are the policies they stand for? Are they for bigger government or smaller government?

I'll take that comment directed at me. So, I'll add that Biden has no integrity.

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

This may give a hint.

Joe Biden Says Wear a Mask For Next 3 Months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hmaw35V4Nk

Be a Patriot..

In the words of Trump on HCQ, "What do you have to lose?"

Would it really be the end of the world to get 95% mask compliance for a few weeks and see what happens? Or does it cause the Antichrist and locusts to appear?

[jalanlong]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

This may give a hint.

Joe Biden Says Wear a Mask For Next 3 Months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hmaw35V4Nk

Be a Patriot..

In the words of Trump on HCQ, "What do you have to lose?"

Would it really be the end of the world to get 95% mask compliance for a few weeks and see what happens? Or does it cause the Antichrist and locusts to appear?

My argument against is that a cursory review of history tells me our govt rarely admits that a policy was a mistake even in the face of overwhelming evidence. If the masks ended up having minimal effect, there is no way they would ever say “sorry folks, we were wrong and masks were really ineffective”. No matter what level of public compliance you might get, they would claim it wasn't enough and we should all mask harder.

[glennds]

I do believe, however, that from day 1 the lamestream press has been consistently and harshly negative of Trump way more than necessary. I also believe, that his big leadership test came, COVID, and he failed it...and most Americans believe he failed it.

Kbg,
What are the reason(s) you believe Trump failed the COVID leadership test?

Not asking because I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you, just interested in your opinion. Thx

[Dieter]

To add a little balance to this post, I ain't voting Republican.

(registered independent, mostly vote Democratic.

Not that I really have time to debate, especially when so outnumbered in these here parts.

[GT]

I do believe, however, that from day 1 the lamestream press has been consistently and harshly negative of Trump way more than necessary. I also believe, that his big leadership test came, COVID, and he failed it...and most Americans believe he failed it.

Kbg,
What are the reason(s) you believe Trump failed the COVID leadership test?

Not asking because I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you, just interested in your opinion. Thx

I was thinking the same thing - I'm not sure Trump has done a good or bad job... the data is so subjective

[Kbg]

Kbg,
What are the reason(s) you believe Trump failed the COVID leadership test?

Not asking because I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you, just interested in your opinion. Thx

It’s pretty clear that COVID is a bit wack a moleish. But the data is there for anyone who will objectively look at it. Pretty much every 1st world country has very low rates of COVID and are having better economic recoveries...unless we are a major trading partner and they are significantly export driven.

Basically we should have done like everyone else, bite the bullet hard for 6-8 weeks. The science/math of how a pandemic spreads isn’t rocket science, algebra will get you there.

The fact we are throwing trillions again (maybe) still should tell you something as well.

Watch what Korea and New Zealand (and China) do, that’s the way it should be done. Large scale rapid testing greatly aids in keeping the shutdown areas small for follow on wack a mole outbreaks.

The CDC actually does know what they are doing and a lot of the science others are following was American made, no small irony there.

[shekels]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

This may give a hint.

Joe Biden Says Wear a Mask For Next 3 Months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hmaw35V4Nk

Be a Patriot..

In the words of Trump on HCQ, "What do you have to lose?"

Would it really be the end of the world to get 95% mask compliance for a few weeks and see what happens? Or does it cause the Antichrist and locusts to appear?

Yes Locusts have appeared...

Studies have shown HCQ along with zinc/z-pack works.. Masks Not so much..
Of course we can find the opposite opinion on the subject.

I do not like really any studies from the WHO or from the U.S. on both of these subjects.
Info from the U.S. seems biased by the people funding the study.
A cheap pill that has been out for 60 years or a brand new drug that can be sold for thousands of dollars.

[shekels]

One more thing I would like answered.
WHEN IS ALL THIS GOING TO END...
or
How much longer can we keep people in Fear and easily manipulated.

my sig line from the last few months......
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

[jalanlong]

One more thing I would like answered.
WHEN IS ALL THIS GOING TO END...
or
How much longer can we keep people in Fear and easily manipulated.

Apparently for a long, long time. I would have thought that even someone who is very scared of the virus would at some point have come to the realization that sitting in my house, living in fear and not being able to go to the movies or to a ball game etc, is really not living at all. So I will just move on and take my chances with the virus because life is short as it is. The idea of people just deciding to live inside and avoid as much human contact as possible in perpetuity never dawned on me.

[shekels]

One more thing I would like answered.
WHEN IS ALL THIS GOING TO END...
or
How much longer can we keep people in Fear and easily manipulated.

Apparently for a long, long time. I would have thought that even someone who is very scared of the virus would at some point have come to the realization that sitting in my house, living in fear and not being able to go to the movies or to a ball game etc, is really not living at all. So I will just move on and take my chances with the virus because life is short as it is. The idea of people just deciding to live inside and avoid as much human contact as possible in perpetuity never dawned on me.

+1

[Kbg]

This is my favorite COVID conspiracy line...the cheap stuff works but we are going to pay billions for the new expensive cure. Who is going to pay that billions (and has paid hundreds of millions) and who is in charge?

There is a small really conceited part of me that wonders can people really not follow through on the logic and inherent contradictions in what they are saying? Apparently not.

I spent some time looking into all of this last week and I came a way really mixed and must say I can’t form an opinion. The info is just too mixed. The cocktail seems to have some pretty compelling anecdotal evidence and does not appear to have had any good testing. The one thing I did learn was it appears to work only at a certain phase and must be done early or it doesn’t work.

Meanwhile, it seems the UK did some pretty extensive studies and nothing suggested the stuff does much good.

What I don’t get, why doesn’t Trump order some studies if the stuff is so great? Perhaps he fears the answer? I would think we would want to put this one to bed...nah, conspiracy is much more useful politically.

[Cortopassi]

This is my favorite COVID conspiracy line...the cheap stuff works but we are going to pay billions for the new expensive cure. Who is going to pay that billions (and has paid hundreds of millions) and who is in charge?

There is a small really conceited part of me that wonders can people really not follow through on the logic and inherent contradictions in what they are saying? Apparently not.

I spent some time looking into all of this last week and I came a way really mixed and must say I can’t form an opinion. The info is just too mixed. The cocktail seems to have some pretty compelling anecdotal evidence and does not appear to have had any good testing. The one thing I did learn was it appears to work only at a certain phase and must be done early or it doesn’t work.

Meanwhile, it seems the UK did some pretty extensive studies and nothing suggested the stuff does much good.

What I don’t get, why doesn’t Trump order some studies if the stuff is so great? Perhaps he fears the answer? I would think we would want to put this one to bed...nah, conspiracy is much more useful politically.

Yes. C'mon, tech, unignore me and answer this one for me without redirecting me down some rabbit hole. Is it really all a conspiracy to make more money for the drug companies?

To me (sorry TDS here) this goes back to Trump's leadership.

If I were president, and it came across my desk that HCQ was possibly useful as a treatment, I'd call in Fauci and Birx and ask them to get some double blind trials started on this, on the government's dime. I am the president, people will do this, without a doubt.

Then, I could have real data, conclusive or not, that I could present to the American people on why HCQ works (or doesn't).

Instead, there's the occasional mention, the I've been taking it for two weeks remark, and the retweeting of the doctor group touting it as a cure.

This is not the stuff of leadership. This is the stuff of Facebook level reposts of shit he's heard about and decides to retweet with little or no follow through.

If Trump wanted to push this, to get to some real study results, he could do so. But he doesn't. Again, I don't get it. Is it simply a lack of ability to focus?

Finally, there are reports of heart damage around HCQ. I still don't understand that either. How about one press conference with the doctors and Trump. Back and forth on HCQ.

Trump: I hear there's some potential for heart damage in patients taking HCQ. Is that true?
Doctor: Answers in some fashion.
Trump: But if there is some potential, are you telling me that the same potential has existed for the last 50 years for the millions who have taken this for malaria?
Doctor: It is because, X, Y, Z
Trump: Ok, thank you. Then it's settled that HCQ (does/does not) pose a risk but that risk is (small/large) compared to the possible benefits.

Yes, just put it to bed or enable more testing on it. But he remains in some nether region on HCQ.

It has to be incredibly frustrating to so many, from both directions.

[yankees60]

One more thing I would like answered.
WHEN IS ALL THIS GOING TO END...
or
How much longer can we keep people in Fear and easily manipulated.

Apparently for a long, long time. I would have thought that even someone who is very scared of the virus would at some point have come to the realization that sitting in my house, living in fear and not being able to go to the movies or to a ball game etc, is really not living at all. So I will just move on and take my chances with the virus because life is short as it is. The idea of people just deciding to live inside and avoid as much human contact as possible in perpetuity never dawned on me.

I've lost playing softball / basketball and going to hear live music. But as an extreme super introvert this lifestyle since March has been fitting me extremely well. Living well!

Vinny