Trading 5 Taliban Mass Murderers For 1 US Deserter

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[Reub]

As usual, short on logic. Wrong on facts, Fred. Releasing 5 mini Bin Ladens undoes any street cred that the "O" might have accumulated for agreeing to do the obvious in the past.

[MachineGhost]

As usual, short on logic. Wrong on facts, Fred. Releasing 5 mini Bin Ladens undoes any street cred that the "O" might have accumulated for agreeing to do the obvious in the past.

What street cred?  He blew it all a long time ago.  I can't say how relieved I am that this joker is not running again.  Remember when I said in this here forums that he's gonna be another Carter?  Well, shit Sherlock, I was wrong!  He's gonna go down in history as worse than even Carter.  And Carter was an even bigger pussy to begin with.  Plus I really, really dread this guy schlocking around after the Presidency staying visible in the media, opening up a Presidential library, etc.  He's too relatively young (and black) to just go gently into the night.  Gag me with a pitchfork!  I may be half Liberal, but I call it like I see it.

[Reub]

Did you notice the spin on the 5 American servicemen killed today in Afghanistan? They blamed it all on friendly fire and barely mentioned that they were under attack from the Taliban and called in a request for help. Did the release of these 5 mini Bin Ladens embolden and encourage the Taliban to launch an attack on these heroic servicemen, leading to their demise? Will more deaths in the future be the result of their release either directly or indirectly?

[Pointedstick]

My guess is these troops were attacked because THE U.S. MILITARY IS IN THEIR COUNTRY KILLING THEIR CITIZENS.  I would think that is sufficient emboldening juice.

No no, clearly they hate us for our freedoms. The fact that we've spent the last 12 years destroying their country obviously has nothing to do with it, you commie traitor.

[MachineGhost]

My guess is these troops were attacked because THE U.S. MILITARY IS IN THEIR COUNTRY KILLING THEIR CITIZENS.  I would think that is sufficient emboldening juice.

No no, clearly they hate us for our freedoms. The fact that we've spent the last 12 years destroying their country obviously has nothing to do with it, you commie traitor.

I think calliing the Taliban citizens of Afghanistan is a bit of a stretch.  They're a fundamental religious extremist cult who have no compunction about massacring other Afghanistan citizens.  Isn't that technically a Civil War?  And don't the losers relinquish the right to be called citizens if they don't give up their cause?

[Reub]

I can't believe that there are actually Taliban apologists on here now.

[Pointedstick]

Who is apologizing for the Taliban? It just seems plain as day that if you invade a country, people there who may be religious extremists (as the Taliban are) will shoot at you. When you shoot back, you risk friendly fire incidents, as they do when they attack as well.

Am I missing something?

[MachineGhost]

Who is apologizing for the Taliban? It just seems plain as day that if you invade a country, people there who may be religious extremists (as the Taliban are) will shoot at you. When you shoot back, you risk friendly fire incidents, as they do when they attack as well.

Am I missing something?

I think maybe you're missing the context of why we invaded Afghanistan.  Not saying I agree with the decision, but there was more going on than just retaliation for 09/11.  Human rights were being abused, to say the least.  I mean you can't ignore the benefits of living in "Rome" and then decry too loudly what it must do to keep its lofty position.  If you feel as strongly as I do that the invasion was a huge mistake, then don't join the military so you don't have to go around liberating oppressed people.  You create your own reality.

[Kshartle]

Who is apologizing for the Taliban? It just seems plain as day that if you invade a country, people there who may be religious extremists (as the Taliban are) will shoot at you. When you shoot back, you risk friendly fire incidents, as they do when they attack as well.

Am I missing something?

I think maybe you're missing the context of why we invaded Afghanistan.  Not saying I agree with the decision, but there was more going on than just retaliation for 09/11.  Human rights were being abused, to say the least.  I mean you can't ignore the benefits of living in "Rome" and then decry too loudly what it must do to keep its lofty position.  If you feel as strongly as I do that the invasion was a huge mistake, then don't join the military so you don't have to go around liberating oppressed people.  You create your own reality.

Human rights? ahahahahahahahah

How about Saudi Arabia?

How about the US supplying and funding the Taliban for years?

Geeze louize the Army does not invade countries because human rights are violated. If that was the case they could start with DC.

[Pointedstick]

I wonder if the residents of Afghanistan feel liberated. Being serious, not facecious. Because I know that parts of Afghanistan were starting to modernize in the 60s and 70s. Here are some pictures of Kabul during that time:

[img width=400]http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced ... 142-46.jpg[/img]


[img width=400]http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_u ... an-148.jpg[/img]

Then the Soviets came in and blew it up, and then we helped them defeat the Soviets by pumping up the Taliban Mujahideen, who promptly took over and abolished all the modernity. I wonder if the Afghani people are happier now, or if their moment to modernize has been snuffed out, and they've reverted to third worldism so much that it makes no difference to most people who's in charge.

[Kshartle]

Now that he's freed, his desertion can be investigated and maybe he'll be charged.

You really think a president who broke laws to bring him back and took pictures like this with his family will allow him to be prosecuted and put back in a cell?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-538a5c3a/turb ... s-20140531

Obama would put his mother on trial for giving birth to him if he thought he was better off for it by one penny. They guy has not a shred of morality.

[moda0306]

Now that he's freed, his desertion can be investigated and maybe he'll be charged.

You really think a president who broke laws to bring him back and took pictures like this with his family will allow him to be prosecuted and put back in a cell?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-538a5c3a/turb ... s-20140531

Obama would put his mother on trial for giving birth to him if he thought he better off for it by one penny. They guy has not a shred of morality.

[Kshartle]

Ok maybe not his mama. But his auntie........


My point is don't go putting him in a box and assuming he won't do this or that. He (like all presidents) will do anything. They don't play by the same rules normal people like us do.

[Jan Van]

Now we're mostly out of Afghanistan maybe we can go liberate Iraq!

[Jan Van]

On negotiating with terrorists:

Ted Cruz: 'U.S. policy has changed, now we make deals with terrorists'

Here’s a few, according to Reiss’ book:

After the North Koreans captured the U.S.S. Pueblo in 1968, President Lyndon Johnson apologized for spying as part of negotiations to secure the release of 83 American prisoners.

In 1970, President Richard Nixon pressured Israel, Switzerland, West Germany and Britain to release Palestinian prisoners after two airlines were hijacked by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

During the Iran hostage crisis of 1979 to 1981, President Jimmy Carter agreed to unfreeze $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets after more than a year of negotiations with the Iranian revolutionaries.

In perhaps the most famous swap, after seven Americans were captured in Beirut, Lebanon, President Ronald Reagan agreed to send missiles to Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal.

President Bill Clinton’s administration sat down with Hamas in attempts to negotiate peace with Israel. His administration also worked directly with the Taliban nearly two decades ago on several occasions to see if the group would hand over Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders.

Reiss also noted that President George W. Bush engaged in negotiations with Iran and North Korea even after decreeing them part of the "Axis of Evil."

[Reub]

The way that Obama leaves a country condemns them to a death sentence. Very sad!

[Pointedstick]

The way that Obama leaves a country condemns them to a death sentence. Very sad!

I would be genuinely curious to hear your ideas for how to leave Iraq that doesn't condemn the country to a death sentence. From my perspective, it seems like we condemned it when we toppled a secular dictator who had effectively controlled Islamic fundamentalism within his borders. The country wasn't unstable before we invaded it...

[Reub]

Don't be blinded. That country was relatively tame when we left....without leaving a residual force behind. That was the key. Obama had been warned about this and left anyway. He has no conscience.

Bush's decision to go in there was a ridiculous blunder. Obama's decision to abandon the place was at least equally bad.

I can hardly wait to see what happens when he pulls out of the White House!

[MachineGhost]

I must be out of the loop, but we've actually pulled out of Iraq?  Wow.  But we're still in Afghanistan, the first country we invaded?  Double wow.

[Kshartle]

Bush's decision to go in there was a ridiculous blunder. Obama's decision to abandon the place was at least equally bad.

The decision to go back will be even worse 

[Pointedstick]

Don't be blinded. That country was relatively tame when we left....without leaving a residual force behind. That was the key. Obama had been warned about this and left anyway. He has no conscience.

If you leave… but leave behind a "residual force"… have you really left? I assume that the goal was to leave entirely at some point, right?

Bush's decision to go in there was a ridiculous blunder.

Whoooooa! I never expected I would hear this from you! On that matter, I think probably everyone here is in agreement!