Advanced Allergy Therapeutics

[WiseOne]

Has anyone given this a try???

My brother and I both have seasonal allergies severe enough that most OTC and prescription meds do practically nothing, and we typically have to resort to taking prednisone.  I'm already on the nasal steroid spray and nighttime Benadryl routine (the only combo that works short of the prednisone), and the allergy season has barely begun.  We've also tried and failed allergy shot regimens.  My brother  tried AAT last year and said he has had almost no symptoms since, which is nothing short of miraculous. 

The technique seems incredibly improbable to me as is the reported 80-90% response rate, but I'm willing to invest the couple hundred $$ and take a chance.

[Benko]

I have no experience with that method.

"Gentle pressure is used on specific treatment points that correspond with the organ systems involved in a reaction.  A subtle representation of the offending substance is introduced while the therapeutic stimulation alleviates stress on the organ system, providing the body with a more appropriate response. "

I'm a big fan of TCM (traditional chinese medicine) but this is clearly some hybrid thing.  Let us know if you try it. 

FYI: I did try NAET which did not help. 

[dualstow]

Never heard of AAT, but I'm sure it's more pleasant than the hookworm cure.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/91689-parasites/

[Reub]

I've heard that quercetin is an excellent defense against seasonal allergies.

[Benko]

I've heard that quercetin is an excellent defense against seasonal allergies.

Bromalin/quercetin can be tried.  I read about it and recommended it ages ago.  People had mixed results, but some did improve.

[dualstow]

Say goodbye to painful allergy shots: FDA approves new treatment for hay fever
The new drug is a tablet that is placed once daily under the tongue, where it quickly dissolves.

According to a statement from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the health agency has approved Ragwitek, a sublingually administered drug for the treatment of hay fever in adults 18 years through 65 years of age.

Read more: http://www.sciencerecorder.com/news/say ... z2zNJ4B1eC

[MachineGhost]

Read more: http://www.sciencerecorder.com/news/say ... z2zNJ4B1eC

That sounds like sublingual immunotherapy which is more common in Europe and is considered quack science in America.  Here's the answer why it was approved:

Ragwitek is manufactured for Merck, Sharp & Dohme Corp., (a subsidiary of Merck and Co., Inc., Whitehouse Station, N.J.) by Catalent Pharma Solutions Limited, United Kingdom.

[dualstow]

That sounds like sublingual immunotherapy which is more common in Europe and is considered quack science in America. 

Well of course the sublingual method is just a delivery method and an effective one (I thought) for many drugs.

When I was a teenager, I tried a European pill that was taken sublingually. It was a New Agey herbal remedy or perhaps homeopathy, and of course it did not help. However, I don't know what Ragwitek is. Is it a lab-synthesized drug?

[WiseOne]

Hmmm.  Even if Ragwitek works, it'll only help you with ragweed pollen.  Not even close to the worst problem for many people.

I think you'd get more mileage from giving yourself periodic gradually increasing doses of locally produced bee pollen.  I tried that once and it did help take the edge off, but wasn't really worth the bother for the benefit I got.

[dualstow]

Hmmm.  Even if Ragwitek works, it'll only help you with ragweed pollen.  Not even close to the worst problem for many people.

I'm not sure which pollen I'm allergic to as I never had specific testing. I grew up right near fields with goldenrod. The wiki page for that plant says

Goldenrod is often unfairly blamed for causing hay fever in humans. The pollen causing these allergy problems is mainly produced by ragweed (Ambrosia sp.), blooming at the same time as the goldenrod, but is wind-pollinated.

When I moved out of state, the allergies became far less severe, so perhaps for me it's ragweed.

This won't be the year I find out any specifics, as there have been warnings that everything may bloom at the same time this spring due to the snowstorms we kept having. Or, did that unusual "unibloom" already happen?

[MachineGhost]

I think you'd get more mileage from giving yourself periodic gradually increasing doses of locally produced bee pollen.  I tried that once and it did help take the edge off, but wasn't really worth the bother for the benefit I got.

Immunotherapy and allergy shots are not really dealing with the root causes of allergies and autoimmune disorders which is a deranged immune system.  You're in the Big City right?  So its seems telling then you probably weren't exposed to enough endotoxins in the womb and as a child; it goes back as far as your mother and grandmother as well.  It's epigenetic.  And then there's our missing parasites, but unless you've got really severe disease manifestations, that's quite a difficult path to travel at the moment.  Same for fecal transplants.

Here's what I suggest if its practical: Go hang around a farm with a barn and animals each and every weekend and see if the endotoxin exposure will tamper your immune system back down to homeostasis.  I doubt if anyone yet knows if its conclusively possible to reset the immune system as an adult after the critical period is missed or not, but you surely won't know until you try.

A few weeks ago, I was thinking "Why can't someone come up with a supplement that amps up IL-6 and NFK-B so I don't have to infect myself with parasites?"  Well, the LEF read my mind and recently came out with a new supplement containing white peony root extract which has been used in Chinese medicine for centuries for immune disorders.  Unlike all of the other approaches out there (Moducare, quercetin, luteolin, rosmarinic acid, Tinofend, various Western herbs, mushrooms, NK boosters, Claritin, Advair, NAC, etc.), it looks like it may deal with the root cause of immune dysfunction and not just mask the symptoms.  I'm slowly running out of all the other anti-allergy supplements I take and will try it soon, along with low-dose naltrexone.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2014/mar ... ses_01.htm

[WiseOne]

Yes exactly, allergies are the price we pay for not having constant parasites.  Having seen some of those first hand in Africa (did an international medicine rotation there), I think it's a worthwhile trade.  But yes, would be nice to find a way to simulate a parasitic immune response.

BTW got my first AAT treatment.  The kinesiology thing seemed ridiculous beyond compare, but I was amazed that it nailed exactly what I already knew I was allergic to.  Per pollen.com, NYC is off the charts today for the pollens I'm most allergic to, and I've got barely noticeable symptoms.  Very promising!

I also heard a great story about Eileen Fisher (upscale women's clothing design store).  They apparently had problems with staff being allergic to clothing materials, since they use only natural fabrics.  A couple of local employees went through the treatment and got great results, so the company is paying for their entire staff to get treated.

[dualstow]

I also heard a great story about Eileen Fisher (upscale women's clothing design store).  They apparently had problems with staff being allergic to clothing materials, since they use only natural fabrics.  A couple of local employees went through the treatment and got great results, so the company is paying for their entire staff to get treated.

Employee healthcare! I wonder if they have a sudden glut of job applications.

On a serious note, my sister-in-law's allergies were so bad that their ageing indoor cat had to become an outdoor one. It was a lose-lose situation as she was too old to send her to someone else's home and probably too old for the outdoor solution. But, my in-law was practically dying. I wonder if this treatment covers pet allergies.

[WiseOne]

On a serious note, my sister-in-law's allergies were so bad that their ageing indoor cat had to become an outdoor one. It was a lose-lose situation as she was too old to send her to someone else's home and probably too old for the outdoor solution. But, my in-law was practically dying. I wonder if this treatment covers pet allergies.

Yes it does!  She might want to look into this.

Poor kitty.  Outdoors unfortunately is no place for a cat, unless it's on a farm or something.

[WiseOne]

Quick followup:  nearly allergy free after 4 treatments, even during the sky-high pollen counts of last week.  Typically at this time of year I'm afraid to venture outside and generally spend my time trying not to claw my eyeballs out.  I have NO idea how AAT works but clearly it does. 

A couple of my treatments were for cats.  I have been told that response to AAT treatment for cat allergies is lower than it is for seasonal allergies.  Luckily it seems to be working for me, but it's something to be aware of if you are planning to try it for that reason.

[dualstow]

Amazing! Now how do I invest in it ?

[MachineGhost]

Quick followup:  nearly allergy free after 4 treatments, even during the sky-high pollen counts of last week.  Typically at this time of year I'm afraid to venture outside and generally spend my time trying not to claw my eyeballs out.  I have NO idea how AAT works but clearly it does. 

A couple of my treatments were for cats.  I have been told that response to AAT treatment for cat allergies is lower than it is for seasonal allergies.  Luckily it seems to be working for me, but it's something to be aware of if you are planning to try it for that reason.

Its occurs to the cynic in me that a lot of patients to AAT are all bound to have the same pollen allergy symptoms because of the Big City lifestyle and upbringing.  So its probably not that hard to score on target like a magician would.  Anyway, could you explain exactly what they did and what the treatment modality exactly is?  Specifics, please!

[WiseOne]

I doubt that big cities are big allergy risk factor.  In my case, my mother had terrible allergies while growing up on a small, lightly populated island in the Caribbean, so I'm pretty sure heredity had more to do with my situation than my current location.

Like I said, I have no idea how it works and it seems like a good contender for "quack treatment of the year".  It's most closely related to acupuncture in technique.  There is a device that sounds and looks like a pop gun that runs up and down your spine for a few seconds.  If you think that sounds nuts, my 12 year old niece got the treatment via Skype (the practitioner sent the equipment to their house).  It was effective for her also.

The device is proprietary technology and the manufacturer won't reveal how it works.  All things that usually raise all kinds of alarm bells for me, as I'm completely against not allowing medical treatments to go through peer review and most often this kind of thing is a shield that hides sham treatments and outright dishonesty.

[Coffee]

There was a guy on here hawking a magic mattress pad that you plug into an outlet and it's supposed to, "ground" you.  LOL.

Is this like that?

[Reub]

There was a guy on here hawking a magic mattress pad that you plug into an outlet and it's supposed to, "ground" you.  LOL.

Is this like that?

Was that Gumby? I'd like to see him posting again.

[MachineGhost]

There was a guy on here hawking a magic mattress pad that you plug into an outlet and it's supposed to, "ground" you.  LOL.

I doubt its like that but there's nothing quacky about discharging your body's static electricity which anyone would normally do when in naked contact with the bare earth or beach and entrain their body's frequency to the earth's frequency.  Its very destressing as most anyone knows.  Gumby mentioned it increased his heart rate variability vs before, so that's objective proof the concept works and is healthy.

Which reminds me, I never did get around to rolling my own earthing mattress bedsheet due to budget constraints.  I think I shall do that this month!  I'm going to make my own from special fabric as its much more cost effective (and better as you can control the resistance used of the fabric) than a relatively tiny piece sold at retail.  I just need to learn how to use a multimeter and see if the outlet I want to use is actually grounded.