Meeting In Person

[clacy]

Kansas City, MO for me

[ozzy]

Chicago, IL.

[Greg]

We'll see if this works. I made a google maps sheet that should have everyone's names in it from this list. I hope I have made it editable by any of you, let me know if you can't edit it.

I feel like big brother knowing where everyone is hah.

http://goo.gl/maps/kS1BW

[foglifter]

Thanks , Greg! This is cool. 

[Greg]

Thanks , Greg! This is cool. 

foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.

[foglifter]

Thanks , Greg! This is cool. 

foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.

Looks like I can. The Edit button is enabled and I was able to get into the editing mode.

[Greg]

Thanks , Greg! This is cool.  :)

foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.

Looks like I can. The Edit button is enabled and I was able to get into the editing mode.

Score!

[Greg]

Thought I'd resurrect this thread in case any of the new members would ever want to meet up with any of the people here on the forum. Knowing roughly where they live is the first step, then Private Message or whatever past there.

[annieB]

Brentwood(Nashville),Tennessee

[Thomas Hoog]

Doorn, The Netherlands

[rocketdog]

Rochester, NY

[dualstow]

Doorn, The Netherlands

I have fond memories of visiting Leiden (or Leyden if you like). Great country, lovely city.

[Bob]

Converse, Texas (Northeast San Antonio area).

[catacomb]

Jerusalem, Israel

[Thomas Hoog]

Doorn, The Netherlands

I have fond memories of visiting Leiden (or Leyden if you like). Great country, lovely city.

Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?
My ancestor came from Leiden. He was a surgeon around 1670. Must have been terrible in those days, just cutting of body parts.

[dualstow]

Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?

Yes, that's right. I had a Dutch friend at university in the States and he invited me to visit the Netherlands during my semester in London.

My ancestor came from Leiden. He was a surgeon around 1670. Must have been terrible in those days, just cutting of body parts.

I'm sure they'll say the same thing about 21st century surgeons someday. :-)

[rocketdog]

Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?

Yes, that's right. I had a Dutch friend at university in the States and he invited me to visit the Netherlands during my semester in London.

My ancestor came from Leiden. He was a surgeon around 1670. Must have been terrible in those days, just cutting of body parts.

I'm sure they'll say the same thing about 21st century surgeons someday. :-)

I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements.  But that's only compared to the past.  In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment".  My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:

Guest 1: "Can you believe they used to cut people open?!  With knives, just like a butcher!  And sometimes they'd even remove an internal organ and replace it with one from a dead person!  Then they'd sew them back up again with thread as if they were a rag doll!  Can you imagine?!"

Guest 2: "I heard they actually used to beam radioactive rays into the patient's body!  Can you imagine a doctor intentionally exposing a patient to radiation?!

Guest 3: "I read somewhere that there used to be a huge industry that concocted poisonous anti-cancer substances that had to be injected into people and caused all manner of side-effects and often didn't even work.  They called it "chemo-therapy".  Can you imagine getting injected with poison in the hopes of curing your cancer?!"

Guest 4: "Yes, it's all true.  Poor people in those days must have suffered something awful.  Thank goodness for nanobots and gene therapy!"

[Libertarian666]

Dallas, and I would certainly be up for a meeting here. With enough notice, I might also be able to get to one in Austin or Houston, which I visit on occasion (in-laws living there).

[RuralEngineer]

I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements.  But that's only compared to the past.  In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment".  My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:

Guest 1: "Can you believe they used to cut people open?!  With knives, just like a butcher!  And sometimes they'd even remove an internal organ and replace it with one from a dead person!  Then they'd sew them back up again with thread as if they were a rag doll!  Can you imagine?!"

Guest 2: "I heard they actually used to beam radioactive rays into the patient's body!  Can you imagine a doctor intentionally exposing a patient to radiation?!

Guest 3: "I read somewhere that there used to be a huge industry that concocted poisonous anti-cancer substances that had to be injected into people and caused all manner of side-effects and often didn't even work.  They called it "chemo-therapy".  Can you imagine getting injected with poison in the hopes of curing your cancer?!"

Guest 4: "Yes, it's all true.  Poor people in those days must have suffered something awful.  Thank goodness for nanobots and gene therapy!"

Disagree.  We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped.  Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).

Seeing as how everything you mentioned is actually helpful and the best we can do for ourselves right now I'll be very disappointed in our descendents if they decide to deride us for not having used magic to heal ourselves or a time machine to get advanced tech from the future.

[Kriegsspiel]

I have some great and trippy memories in Laandgraf a few years ago at the Pinkpop festival.  Not really near Doorn, from what I can tell, but in that speck of the world

[AgAuMoney]

people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).

I don't know about prostate warmers, but I imagine the radioactive pellets and RF therapy used for prostate cancer would be warming.

Also electroshock (aka electro-convulsive) therapy and leeches are gaining popularity.  So are maggots for wound debridement.  Medical grade leeches and maggots, of course.  Blood letting is highly recommended for men and post-menopausal women, but now we call it donating blood.

[dualstow]

I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements.  But that's only compared to the past.  In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment".

Disagree.  We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped.  Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful

And that's why nobody brought up herbal remedies. It wasn't part of the conversation.

... such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).

Seeing as how everything you mentioned is actually helpful and the best we can do for ourselves right now I'll be very disappointed in our descendents if they decide to deride us for not having used magic to heal ourselves or a time machine to get advanced tech from the future.

I think you missed the point, RE. Leeches were helpful in the past. Even the "cutting of body parts" by Gerard's ancestor was helpful in the past. We see them as barbaric now because we have more refined ways to cut. I simply said that in the next century, physicians will look back on our techniques the way we look at bone saws without anaesthesia. So, RocketDog continued with that: chemotherapy is a good example of something that is helpful but also very destructive. As soon as a better way is found, we (or our descendants) will look back on it as barbaric.

Makes sense?

Interesting fact, by the way: when X-rays were first discovered, people used to have themselves subjected to it for hair removal. The practice was quietly abandoned after certain unpleasant side effects began to manifest along with the efficient removal of that unwanted hair...

[rocketdog]

I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements.  But that's only compared to the past.  In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment".  My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:

Guest 1: "Can you believe they used to cut people open?!  With knives, just like a butcher!  And sometimes they'd even remove an internal organ and replace it with one from a dead person!  Then they'd sew them back up again with thread as if they were a rag doll!  Can you imagine?!"

Guest 2: "I heard they actually used to beam radioactive rays into the patient's body!  Can you imagine a doctor intentionally exposing a patient to radiation?!

Guest 3: "I read somewhere that there used to be a huge industry that concocted poisonous anti-cancer substances that had to be injected into people and caused all manner of side-effects and often didn't even work.  They called it "chemo-therapy".  Can you imagine getting injected with poison in the hopes of curing your cancer?!"

Guest 4: "Yes, it's all true.  Poor people in those days must have suffered something awful.  Thank goodness for nanobots and gene therapy!"

Disagree.  We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped.  Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).

Seeing as how everything you mentioned is actually helpful and the best we can do for ourselves right now I'll be very disappointed in our descendents if they decide to deride us for not having used magic to heal ourselves or a time machine to get advanced tech from the future.

Two points:

1) Electroshock therapy can be beneficial if performed properly. 

2) All cultures look back on past cultures as if they were primitive.  This is not to say that each culture doesn't understand that the past culture did the best they could with the tools and knowledge they possessed.  But as society advances the practices of the past become more and more bizarre and shocking as the distance of time increases.  For instance, our decendants 500 years hence and beyond will look back on our practices in much the same way that we look back today on the practices of the Middle Ages. 

[AgAuMoney]

Interesting fact, by the way: when X-rays were first discovered, people used to have themselves subjected to it for hair removal. The practice was quietly abandoned after certain unpleasant side effects began to manifest along with the efficient removal of that unwanted hair...

And fluoroscopes were the hot new accessory for shoe stores, because you could see how a shoe fit or how it crunched your toes.

[dualstow]

Austin for me.

Congrats! Google Fiber is coming your way!