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The only reason I care at all about the upcoming election is because I wouldn't mind it if I never had to hear a word that came out of Obama's mouth again. I think the man is dishonest to the core of his being. Before accusing me of being a racist or a Republican (whichever is worse in your mind) I need to tell you I felt the same thing about his predecessor who was both white and Republican.

Romney strikes me as a fairly decent person but probably only because I don't know him that well yet. I do think he relishes the idea of being emperor of the world and that bothers me though sometimes presidents do change in office and maybe he can prove me wrong.

If you are inclined to vote for him and have conservative instincts this is the best justification I have yet read .....

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Romney strikes me as a competent man who doesn't know why he wants to be the president. Like so many who succeeded in the private sector before him, like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Meg Whitman (to name a few from my state), I think he sees high political office as just the next natural step.

I contrast this with Obama, who seems like an incompetent man who knew why he wanted the presidency, or Bush, who was both incompetent, and unsure of why he was there.

People like Mitt Romney have the potential to be successful, but I think they also face the danger of misunderstanding the profound differences between business and politics, especially politics at the national level, where you really need a cult of personality to be successful. I think Steve Jobs would have made a good president figure, but a more wonkish, technical man like Bill Gates--or Mitt Romney--strikes me as potentially focusing too much on the inner workings of the machine and not enough on painting a smiley face on it.
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http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/ht ... ic.php?t=5

I'll post it, so Craig ang MT don't have to.   ;D
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AdamA wrote: http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/ht ... ic.php?t=5

I'll post it, so Craig ang MT don't have to.   ;D
Craig and MT would make a good ticket in the next election. I'll vote for them.
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Pointedstick wrote: Romney strikes me as a competent man who doesn't know why he wants to be the president. Like so many who succeeded in the private sector before him, like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Meg Whitman (to name a few from my state), I think he sees high political office as just the next natural step.

I contrast this with Obama, who seems like an incompetent man who knew why he wanted the presidency, or Bush, who was both incompetent, and unsure of why he was there.

People like Mitt Romney have the potential to be successful, but I think they also face the danger of misunderstanding the profound differences between business and politics, especially politics at the national level, where you really need a cult of personality to be successful. I think Steve Jobs would have made a good president figure, but a more wonkish, technical man like Bill Gates--or Mitt Romney--strikes me as potentially focusing too much on the inner workings of the machine and not enough on painting a smiley face on it.
I think there is probably no such thing as a man who is prepared to be president and we probably expect too much. But then nobody is ever going to get elected with the honest campaign slogan of "don't expect too much" are they? He has to know exactly what the last president did wrong and what he will finally do right to correct all the problems and if he wasn't lucky enough for it to work out well enough in his first time he has to stick with the plan and assure us that it just takes more time and that we shouldn't fall for all the lies of those other evil villains want to stop all the progress we've made and take us back to the dark ages.

If I sound hard on Obama for being dishonest, he probably isn't any more so than his predecessors but you get tired hearing all this nonsense over a lifetime. I think I will just drink a few beers and read a book on election night. I'll ask my co-workers who won in the morning.
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That sounds like a very sensible plan.
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notsheigetz wrote: Romney strikes me as a fairly decent person but probably only because I don't know him that well yet. I do think he relishes the idea of being emperor of the world and that bothers me though sometimes presidents do change in office and maybe he can prove me wrong.
A great example is of Democratic FDR who campaigned on free-market principles against Republican Hoover the statist.  Yet we all know what happened once FDR got into office...
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MachineGhost wrote:
notsheigetz wrote: Romney strikes me as a fairly decent person but probably only because I don't know him that well yet. I do think he relishes the idea of being emperor of the world and that bothers me though sometimes presidents do change in office and maybe he can prove me wrong.
A great example is of Democratic FDR who campaigned on free-market principles against Republican Hoover the statist.  Yet we all know what happened once FDR got into office...
Pretty much this.  Our political system guarantees, through an exhaustive winnowing of decent individuals, that the two candidates for president from the Democrat and Republican party are sociopaths.  They don't care about other people, but can give the impression of doing so (some better than others).  They lie constantly and will change their story whenever necessary in order to capture a large enough portion of the electorate to ensure they stay in power.  On top of that they share the same morals as Bernie Madoff and other white collar criminals, they are just (usually) better at getting away with it.  Half the time their crimes are legal....because they (or their peers) write the laws.

This is obviously very much my opinion.  I'm sure that there are people on these boards who think Obama or Romney are the best thing since sliced bread and could walk on water in a pinch.  The people they put behind them at rallies certainly seem to think so.

For what it's worth, I think Romney is the lesser of two evils.  More because I think the people he's had to make promises to in order to make it this far will keep him on a short leash.  His hopes for reelection will limit his ability to infringe upon my freedoms *fingers crossed*.
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RuralEngineer wrote: Our political system guarantees, through an exhaustive winnowing of decent individuals, that the two candidates for president from the Democrat and Republican party are sociopaths.  They don't care about other people, but can give the impression of doing so (some better than others).  They lie constantly and will change their story whenever necessary in order to capture a large enough portion of the electorate to ensure they stay in power.  On top of that they share the same morals as Bernie Madoff and other white collar criminals, they are just (usually) better at getting away with it.  Half the time their crimes are legal....because they (or their peers) write the laws.
This is one of my very favorite passages from Hans-Hermann Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed:
Given that the characteristics and talents required for political success—of good looks, sociability, oratorical power, charisma, etc.—are distributed unequally among men, then those with these particular characteristics and skills will have a sound advantage in the competition for scarce [political] resources as compared to those without them. Therefore entrance into and success within government will become increasingly impossible for anyone hampered by moral scruples against lying and stealing. Moreover, even outside the orbit of government, within civil society, individuals will increasingly rise to the top of economic and financial success not on account of their productive or entrepreneurial talents or even their superior defensive political talents, but rather because of their superior skills as unscrupulous political entrepreneurs and lobbyists. Thus, the Constitution virtually assures that exclusively dangerous men will rise to the pinnacle of government power and that moral behavior and ethical standards will tend to decline and deteriorate all-around.
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