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Gandhi's views on violence

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With all the recent discussion of Gandhi, I thought it might be interesting to mention something a lot of people don't know about him and his philosophy--certainly I didn't until someone pointed this out to me.

Gandhi did not eschew violence. Far from it; he viewed violent struggle as a possible means to effect change. The reason why he instead advocated non-violence was because hebelieved it to be stronger than violence. He believed that one could only be nonviolent when one possessed the will and means to be violent, but chose to abstain from it. To be nonviolent in the absence of the ability or willingness to kill was not nonviolence in his eyes, but cowardice. The nonviolent person, in Gandhi's mind, was a more spiritually enlightened form of the violent person.

But if a violent person did not possess the necessary wisdom and strength of will to abstain from using the violence in his heart, Gandhi would not let that man participate in his movement and would instead counsel him to use violence elsewhere! Just not in his name.

It's all a lot more philosophical and complicated than just "sit back and take it up the tailpipe when somebody comes along and oppresses you."
I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully.

The strength to kill is not essential for self-defence; one ought to have the strength to die. When a man is fully ready to die, he will not even desire to offer violence. Indeed, I may put it down as a self-evident proposition that the desire to kill is in inverse proportion to the desire to die. And history is replete with instances of men who, by dying with courage and compassion on their lips, converted the hearts of their violent opponents.

Nonviolence cannot be taught to a person who fears to die and has no power of resistance. A helpless mouse is not nonviolent because he is always eaten by pussy. He would gladly eat the murderess if he could, but he ever tries to flee from her. We do not call him a coward, because he is made by nature to behave no better than he does.

But a man who, when faced by danger, behaves like a mouse, is rightly called a coward. He harbors violence and hatred in his heart and would kill his enemy if he could without hurting himself. He is a stranger to nonviolence. All sermonizing on it will be lost on him. Bravery is foreign to his nature. Before he can understand nonviolence, he has to be taught to stand his ground and even suffer death, in the attempt to defend himself against the aggressor who bids fair to overwhelm him. To do otherwise would be to confirm his cowardice and take him further away from nonviolence.
Whilst I may not actually help anyone to retaliate, I must not let a coward seek shelter behind nonviolence so-called. Not knowing the stuff of which nonviolence is made, many have honestly believed that running away from danger every time was a virtue compared to offering resistance, especially when it was fraught with danger to one's life. As a teacher of nonviolence I must, so far as it is possible for me, guard against such an unmanly belief.

Self-defence....is the only honourable course where there is unreadiness for self-immolation.

Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.

http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm
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Is that right? This is mind-blowing. I need to read further on the topic.
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I'm sure it doesn't capture the nuances but the movie Ghandi is a great movie. What really comes across is how courage is infectious and just how fearless the non-violence of Ghandi was. It was about laying down your life for what you believed was just.
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It all sounds more like Gandhi believed in non-interventionism than pacificism.  Perhaps he is trying to clarify that humanity does not give any respect to those that take the path of least resistance which really seems at odd with the Gandhi mythology.  Certainly, from an oppressor's standpoint, they afford no respect to a dehumanized, coward enemy that does not fight back.  But, the oppressors having to stop and consider the ramifications of violent retaliation that may or may not be performed, will give the oppressors pause and engage their neocortex which may circumvent their rabid emotional state.  That seems to me to be the only way enlightenment will happen short of outright destruction or total victory.
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I think there is some missunderstanding here.

From what I can see the Ghandi response to someone unjustly telling you what to do is to calmly tell them that you do not accept their authority to tell you what to do. If they point a gun at your head, you calmly tell them that if they shoot you they still won't be getting you to do as they say.

It is about facing down tyrany with total conviction and showing not a hint of fear or violence.

Ghandi, in the quote at the start of this thread was saying that only the most couragous were suitable as contributors to his non-violent campaign.
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