Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

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seajay wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:48 am
yankees60 wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:54 amHis behavior has become more and more comic book like.
Cognitive decline with age more often is dismissed with others just looking at each other and raising their eyebrows. As is repeatedly restating inaccuracies or changing with the wind. As a head of anything - not good
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He is not anywhere close to "We Beat Medicare" Biden in terms of evident cognitive decline.

Again. I see him parry with everyone for hours on end. He is still quite nimble. Especially in comparison to what we suffered through for the four prior years, whenever Biden had the courage to expose himself to having to make a spontaneous, unscripted response.
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And as mentioned before, he's been knowingly telling the untruths forever, since he learned his strategies from Roy Cohn.
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dualstow wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:45 pm And as mentioned before, he's been knowingly telling the untruths forever, since he learned his strategies from Roy Cohn.
He's been doing it knowingly, like he knows he is telling lies and does not believe all he he saying.

Or, everyone knows he is telling lies?

Finally, how does one know when he is telling the truth or telling a lie.

It's easy to tell when he blatantly tells a lie which we can easily confirm that is not true.

But if he's telling us something that went on between him and Putin ... what do we do?

We to not believe him because he's been doing it since the days of Roy Cohn?

Or .....?


Generally the default for me for everyone in my life, either personally or someone in any other form, is an expectation that I am being told the truth. Unless I know otherwise and definitively know that the other person must be telling a lie.

This strategy he's employed since the days of Roy Cohn seem to be one of the worst characteristics any leader can possess.
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Choice 1: I believe he knows he is repeating lies. I’ve heard some of his admirers say they know it and they don’t’ care, and they think it’s funny (and annoying) that he keeps getting fact-checked.
I think it’s the media’s duty to keep fact checking as best they can, even though I no longer bother to keep track.
Finally, how does one know when he is telling the truth or telling a lie.
Fact-checking. Until then, I don’t think you can trust someone who makes a habit of saying so many things that aren’t true. But, he was never a news source for me anyway.

Of course, I don’t believe Jasminie Crockett when she says her calls to “take down” Elon Musk are nonviolent. Even though she explicitly said to follow the local laws, that’s just a kind of technical legal disclaimer for her own protection. I realize it is unfair to engage in “mind reading” but I don’t believe for one second that she isn’t thrilled by all the firebombings. She’s no better than Trump characterwise.
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p.s. look also at the wiki page of democrat Jamaal Bowman, who just lost an election but who has been making the rounds in media denouncing Trump and stating that Musk “wants to be an oligarch.” This guy is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and I wouldn’t trust him any farther than I could throw him.
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dualstow wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:28 am p.s. look also at the wiki page of democrat Jamaal Bowman, who just lost an election but who has been making the rounds in media denouncing Trump and stating that Musk “wants to be an oligarch.” This guy is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and I wouldn’t trust him any farther than I could throw him.
I don't need to look at it as I trust you and don't need to read any more than what you provided above.
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Truth? Politics is information warfare. Vinny hasnt spent a lot of time arguing with women.


An American asked a Soviet Professor “What are you doing in the United States?”

The professor replied, “I'm here to study American Propaganda.”

The American asked, “What propaganda?”

The Soviet said “Exactly :)
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boglerdude wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:21 am Truth? Politics is information warfare. Vinny hasnt spent a lot of time arguing with women.


An American asked a Soviet Professor “What are you doing in the United States?”

The professor replied, “I'm here to study American Propaganda.”

The American asked, “What propaganda?”

The Soviet said “Exactly :)
I reject any generalized men / women statements such as the above except for the physical in which it's been fairly much proven that the average male is stronger and faster than the average female. It's why we have separate male / female sports.

But on a personal level I'm going to treat each woman as different in the regard you refer to just the same way I treat any male in this forum and anywhere else in my life.
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COLUMN

How Putin won the long game, with Trump

Most Americans understand what the Cold War was about — a non-shooting war of ideology that began as soon as World War II had ended between liberal- capitalist America and communist-socialist Russia. The two camps, once allies against Nazis, competed for the hearts and minds of the world everywhere, arguing at the U.N., competing in the Olympics and brainwashing the young in classrooms.

After half a century of such competition, the Cold War suddenly ended in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed dramatically of its own accord, giving America the claim of a liberal-capitalist victory over Soviet communism.

This victory of democratic America-West was celebrated in “the End of History” theory made popular by Francis Fukuyama who claimed that “(With) the dissolution of the Soviet Union, humanity has reached … the end-point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.”

In short, there was no more need for ideological struggle, hot or cold, between Russia and the U.S. With the Soviets gone, we could now enjoy our guilt-free benefits of “liberalism” as triumphant capitalists were eager to please consumers with all their creative ingenuity and abundance. The liberal-capitalists declared: Consumers of the world, enjoy your freedom — eat, drink and be entertained!

Further liberated by domestic deregulation and global expansions, liberal-capitalism triumphed over communism. Capitalist America won and communist Russia lost, and the world rejoiced.

But, as soon as the Cold War ended with America’s victory, Russia’s new leader, Vladimir Putin, ever unrepentant and ambitious, started the next war — the “Liberal War”— targeting its attack on our free consumption. The visionary Russian leader was convinced that such unlimited enjoyment of entertainment and pleasure made the American- Western population decadent and lazy, inevitably inviting their own downfall. He was still dreaming of a new Great Russian Empire out of the ashes of Cold War defeat.

P u t i n’s aim in the new Liberal War was nothing short of destroying America-West’s liberal democracy and its decaying consumer capitalism.

In this new battle over triumphant and prosperous liberalism, Russia was now armed with a wholly new arsenal: a generation of deadly cyber weapons that could infect America at its most vulnerable but fundamental weakness — their minds, now highly gullible to propaganda and fashionable social media fantasies. Life in liberal America was slowly disintegrating under well-designed mind attacks from Putin’s powerful cyber warfare. While Americans were deeply indulging in psychotherapy and social media in their individually isolated cocoons, lonely and anxious, the Russian operatives continued their effective attacks on American weaknesses, holding up the sword upon which liberal America would throw itself.

The Liberal War went on for two generations on the heels of the Cold War: Americans enjoying wide-open freedom of consumption and Russians working feverishly to deploy all of their cyber weapons to undermine American society and reshape American minds.

Who won? Russians did, with the major coup of electing Donald Trump as America’s president, twice, giving Putin the best possible comrade-inarms for his pursuit of the Great Russian Empire. P u t i n’s success in getting Trump elected and gambling on Ukraine has been so great that the Atlantic’s Garry Kasparov called it the “Putinization of America,” while New York Times columnist Roger Cohen echoed, “Thanks to Trump, a Soviet goal (‘decoupling Europe from the U.S.’) may finally have been achieved.”

Putin avenged Russia’s defeat in the Cold War and celebrated its victory with soon-tobe dismembered Ukraine and NATO.

The war in Ukraine — a proxy contest between Russians and Americans as two contrasting national systems — revealed two very different social character types: Russia’s top-down autocracy in a stoic nation against a liberal democracy with abundant individual freedom of choice. Here, as a war-fighting nation, Russia is far superior: Putin can demand multiple (albeit reluctant) sacrifices from Russians, which America’s liberal-capitalist nation with its scatter-brained citizens cannot match.

By electing Trump as their leader, Americans just sang their swan song for Ukraine and Europe. Thus, the end of the Liberal War only proved that, as widely believed in Russia, neither Americans nor Europeans are for the long haul of history.

Yet, liberalism in America is not dead as a political force, willing to fight to get their still-breathing liberal democracy back from both Trump and Putin. To these liberals, both Trump and Putin embody Big Brother government, immortalized in Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” in which human thoughts and feelings are officially manufactured at will. They see both Trump and Putin as classic Orwellians in their mastery of mass disinformation.

Here comes a new war — the “Orwellian War”— brewing between America’s liberal remnants and the Trump-Putin strongmen alliance. It’s liberals’ present and future struggle, mostly hopeless, to preserve civil liberties against the Trump-Putin juggernaut here and elsewhere.

Unlike their liberal counterparts who welcome every social engineering possibility, both Putin and Trump prefer a more simplified, direct approach to their ruling method: Americans with long fantasy life and Russians with longer oppression and peasantry, Orwellianism fits them perfectly. P u t i n’s experience can guide and mentor Trump, America’s revolutionary upstart and P u t i n’s most successful protege in wiping out their liberal remnants.

In this new mind-war, America’s Trumpsters can learn much from Putin as his junior partners: such as how to stage fake elections, shut down the free press, keep oligarchs at bay, or, most importantly, how to make the masses love their own tormentors.

Like the last free man in Orwell’s dystopia, who falls in love with his own executioner, we already love Trump in America as they love Putin in Russia. With liberals relegated to anachronistic stupor in our Age of Digital Deception, the Trump-Putin alliance is poised to make history by remaking themselves so lovable.

Happily, we are burying our liberal past while singing sweet love songs for our leaders.

Jon Huer, columnist for the Recorder and retired
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Together, Russia and the USA represent 30% of world GDP. Less than a third.

If you think that the other 70% aren't just going to ring-fence us both and trade with each other and decrease trade with the USA, you're taking psychedelic 'shrooms.

If you think the other nations aren't going to gradually sell off Treasuries and not participate in future US Treasury auctions, you're using LSD suppositories. This will cause longer term interest rates to rise, and give us "Ray Dalio's debt heart attack within three years". The Fed doesn't control long rates. The market does.

If you think other nations aren't going to try to trade with each without using SWIFT, then you're dreaming.

What's Trump going to do? If you don't buy our Treasuries or use SWIFT, we'll nuke you?

The Mar-A-Lago accord is working out to be a Mafia tactic. If you play nice with the US, you get military protection. If you don't play nice with the US, that same military will attack you.

Nice country you got here, shame if something were to happen to it.

Based on my TAA indicators, I sold all my US stocks on Friday. It's not going to be nice what happens next.

Personally, I want a real estate crash, because I want to move. I want to trade up, if everyone in Texas takes a RE haircut, especially the costly places, the move will become easier since it would be all-cash.

I have so much dry powder to buy stocks at a better price, the powder is getting all over the place.
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For the record, I don’t think LSD suppositories would work.
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MAGA really means

Make Europe Great Again

Make China Great Again

Make Russia... nah, Russia is an eternal sh**hole, it will never be great in the sense of a nice place. It might be great like the Borg Collective is great.
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OK doomer.
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ochotona wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:30 pm Make Russia... nah, Russia is an eternal sh**hole, it will never be great in the sense of a nice place. It might be great like the Borg Collective is great.
I know this is oversimplfying, but to me, Russia is a nation of too many clever people. When the people are that clever, you’re always going to have something like a kleptocracy. Italy is like that, too. And perhaps Israel. They’re all victims of their own brilliance.
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ochotona wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:24 pm If you think the other nations aren't going to gradually sell off Treasuries and not participate in future US Treasury auctions, you're using LSD suppositories. This will cause longer term interest rates to rise, and give us "Ray Dalio's debt heart attack within three years". The Fed doesn't control long rates. The market does.
Trump said he'd end the Ukraine war in a day. It's now apparent that that entails surrender - Russia keeping the Ukrainian land its already invaded - but that just promotes Putin to carry on invading yet more land areas. China and Taiwan has yet to be surrendered by Trump but no doubt will be. NATO - in decline, US Dollar - moving towards no longer being trusted or the primary reserve currency (and reducing the potential for the US to export inflation). Trump is moving the US to being a subset part of BRICS, handing global policy directive primarily over to China. As part of that American's prior relatively high standards of living will be inclined to decline, potentially considerably. Hasn't Ray Dalio already moved much of his primary investments into Asia?
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