Grilling Fauci

[boglerdude]

Realized it was a lost cause when conservatives, who had been railing against lockdown, instantly forgave Trump and moved on to the next culture war. The tribalism is insurmountable. People just want the fight

Rand Paul keeps talking about lab leaks which is a red herring. Pushes the Leftist/Socialist narrative that C19 martial law was justified. Doesnt matter what leaks, respiratory viruses burn themselves out by definition and governments are more dangerous than they are, as history has shown.

Every month theres a new fun fact that I realize. This month its that the mandates allowed you to take a non-mRNA inoculation using the old tech. But we've never had a working cold shot. . .

Well, get your toddlers the latest emergency-use authorized jabs


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[dualstow]

But we've never had a working cold shot. . .

What does that mean? A shot for the common cold virus?

[dualstow]

Mark Zuckerberg says Meta was ‘pressured’ by Biden administration to censor Covid-related content in 2021
CNN, yesterday

Mark Zuckerberg, chairman and CEO of the social media company Meta, said in a letter to the House Judiciary committee on Monday that his teams were “pressured” by the Biden White House to censor some content around the Covid-19 pandemic.
…

Zuckerberg in the letter also said the FBI warned his company about potential Russian disinformation around Hunter Biden and the Ukrainian firm Burisma affecting the 2020 election. That fall, Zuckerberg said, his team temporarily demoted reporting from the New York Post alleging Biden family corruption while their fact-checkers could review the story. Zuckerberg said that since then, it has “been made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation, and in retrospect, we shouldn’t have demoted the story.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/27/business ... index.html

[Jack Jones]

Biden preemptively pardons Fauci. Not a good look for a guy who supposedly did nothing wrong.

[dualstow]

Biden preemptively pardons Fauci. Not a good look for a guy who supposedly did nothing wrong.

Well of course they’ll say they assume the administration would go after him whether he’s guilty or not.
But I’m curious- how long has this preemptive pardon been allowed?

[yankees60]

Biden preemptively pardons Fauci. Not a good look for a guy who supposedly did nothing wrong.

When it comes to "justice" the facts are too oftentimes irrelevant.

[yankees60]

Biden preemptively pardons Fauci. Not a good look for a guy who supposedly did nothing wrong.

Well of course they’ll say they assume the administration would go after him whether he’s guilty or not.
But I’m curious- how long has this preemptive pardon been allowed?

"Well of course they’ll say they assume the administration would go after him whether he’s guilty or not. "

Would you deny that is not a valid concern given Trump's repeated words regarding the matter?

Since we are on Trump this is what I put on Facebook in the last half-hour:

"Just heard it all.
I give it a grade of D!
Scary that so many people were standing up and cheering it throughout."

Also, earlier in the morning wrote this email to someone:

"Just now seeing Biden on TV ... my immediate response was: "Good riddance!""

[Xan]

I certainly DO hope they "go after" him. Don't even really care about a conviction (which is impossible now post-pardon anyway). But I think we do need a thorough investigation of who knew what when, to the extent possible what motivations people had. Just for learning so we can do better next time. In fact pardon everybody: that takes away (some) incentives to lie as well as removes the ability to take the 5th. I just want to get to the bottom of it. Like an NTSB investigation.

What I would expect/hope to come out of it is a new doctrine in public health that "noble lies" are not okay and are never to be employed.

[Mountaineer]

Can a presidential pardon be overturned by the Supreme Court?

[yankees60]

Can a presidential pardon be overturned by the Supreme Court?

Almost 100% certain that it cannot.

On what basis could it?

Clearly the law allows presidents to pardon so what law is being violated by any pardon?

[yankees60]

Can a presidential pardon be overturned by the Supreme Court?

Here is a possible answer to your question:

https://www.thisnation.com/government/l ... -reversed/

Can A Presidential Pardon Be Reversed? Understanding Presidential Pardons

[Mountaineer]

Thank you.

[boglerdude]

Gain of function never stopped and will never stop. Because foreign adversaries will not stop. Same for AI killbots. Not a big deal for respiratory viruses because the sicker they make the host, the less they can spread. We've been co-evolving with them for millennia.

Fauci's pardon is clever, it redirects the narrative from the only thing that matters, the constitutional violations. ie it maintains the narrative that if theres another lab leak, we can be caged again. well, whatever. The far right doesnt care either, there has to be one bad person to blame. And one hero, for now Donald. Like a movie.

[dualstow]

I was just reading some posts by Chris Cillizza about how once upon a time, he announced that Fauci had "crushed" Trump's lab leak theory. And of course following up about how Fauci was wrong and Trump was right.
With all the crazy stuff D.T. says, or rather, the way the media chops it up and presents it, I never would have thought it would play out like this.

[ppnewbie]

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I think he funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab through something called Ecohealth Alliance and USAID.

[yankees60]

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I think he funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab through something called Ecohealth Alliance and USAID.

IF so ... was it done for any malicious intent? Any personal monetary gain? What was the motivation?

[Jack Jones]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

[ppnewbie]

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I think he funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab through something called Ecohealth Alliance and USAID.

IF so ... was it done for any malicious intent? Any personal monetary gain? What was the motivation?

Vaguely I believe it was to circumvent the US prohibition on gain of function research. The full worst case scenario theory is to create a bio weapon that could kill enormous swaths off human beings while also developing an antidote.

So it is reality that they funded this research at Wuhan.

[ppnewbie]

Keep in mind this hearing took place during the Biden administration. USAID is already one casualty. These guys are probably furiously making deals to stay out of DOGE and Trump’s crosshairs.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/hea ... -debarred/

[ppnewbie]

And if you think about the pure absurdity of fauci claiming with a straight face the coronavirus came from a market adjacent to the lab where the ecohealth alliance was funding research into the exact virus. These people should be held accountable.

And going so far as to attempt to discredit and ruin the careers of professionals who pointed out this absurdity. It’s terrible.

[Jack Jones]

And if you think about the pure absurdity of fauci claiming with a straight face the coronavirus came from a market adjacent to the lab where the ecohealth alliance was funding research into the exact virus. These people should be held accountable.

And going so far as to attempt to discredit and ruin the careers of professionals who pointed out this absurdity. It’s terrible.

These guys often rub me the wrong way, but good on Jon for daring to say it in public. This was during the period when people were being cancelled for suggesting a lab leak:

https://youtu.be/sSfejgwbDQ8

[boglerdude]

which is it conservatives. SARS2 was a nothingburger like SARS1, MERS, and the global pandemic of 2009. Or an unprecedented "bioweapon" that justified martial law on US soil.

[ppnewbie]

What it is was an aburdly transparent creation of a virus in a lab that was funded by a convoluted chain of US funding because this type of virus development is possibly the most dangerous technology on the planet and I believe is not legal.

[boglerdude]

Anthrax is the only bioweapon because the spores can dry out. Even then its a poor and indiscriminate weapon. If conservatives swallow the bioweapon narrative then Trump can claim bird flu is another leak, lockdown again and finish off small business and the middle class.

edit1 for substance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJMGNVLAKC0

[Jack Jones]

First there was this:

https://oversight.house.gov/release/cov ... -new-memo/

Then they were grilling him today on CSPAN. Anyone else catch it?

They were right. The harm this man caused to this country will continue to ripple throughout time. The loss of trust in our institutions may never return.

I caught a lot of it. Several hours. This is what I wrote on Facebook in reaction to it:

"Listening to this Fauci hearing the Democrats sound like rational Adults while the Republicans sound like petulant Children!"

Vinny, did you catch Trump's address last night? 5 minutes in and this quote of yours sprang to mind for me.