Are We Living Under Communism?

[Don]

Has it already happened? It seems that our elections are stolen, the media is Pravda, and the DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA are all politicized.

Is all lost?

[SomeDude]

Has it already happened? It seems that our elections are stolen, the media is Pravda, and the DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA are all politicized.

Is all lost?

We still have firearms but that's about it. Notice you will almost never hear a politician refer to the country as a Republic? It's always a "democracy". Soon it will be "The People's Democratic Republic of America".

[Tortoise]

We still have firearms but that's about it. Notice you will almost never hear a politician refer to the country as a Republic? It's always a "democracy". Soon it will be "The People's Democratic Republic of America".

Maybe that's because the word "republic" is too closely associated with the words God, liberty, and justice in people's minds due to the Pledge of Allegiance. And of course we can't go around reminding people about those harmful, antiquated concepts.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." [Not safety, civility, and equality of outcome for all?!]

[Benko]

There was a YouTube video awhile back by someone who grew up in South America (now lives in Europe). He describes what is happening in the US as very familiar to where he grew up i.e. one side uses e.g. Antifa as violent foot soldiers and at the first sign of push back against their side they scream bloody murder like the reaction to Jan 6. Don't have the exact link but he goes by CRP (Coach Red Pill) and video maybe 6 months back.

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again (hat tip BSG)

[boglerdude]

FL & TX will be taken down next, and I cant afford Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_marc ... stitutions

Social media has sped this along using the mob of communists/collectivists on reddit/twitter

edit1: https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ ... s/hfn77is/

[pp4me]

No, I don't think we are living under Communism yet but I don't recall Karl Marx ever being as popular in America as he is now (Sarcasm intended. In days gone by being a Marxist would have brought you before the HUAC (house un-american activities committee).

Personally, I'm more concerned right now about the conglomeration of big government + big tech + big media + big corporations. I don't think communism is necessarily what they have in mind for us. Not sure what it is and I doubt they do either but something tells me it won't be good if THEY get their way, whoever in the hell THEY are.

[Don]

There was a YouTube video awhile back by someone who grew up in South America (now lives in Europe). He describes what is happening in the US as very familiar to where he grew up i.e. one side uses e.g. Antifa as violent foot soldiers and at the first sign of push back against their side they scream bloody murder like the reaction to Jan 6. Don't have the exact link but he goes by CRP (Coach Red Pill) and video maybe 6 months back.

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again (hat tip BSG)

That gold is going to come in handy.

[boglerdude]

Vax mandate is to force everyone to get a smartphone and be tracked. Then social credit system, attend a protest/complain about The Regime or taxes/inflation, get locked out of society. Global oligarchy that calls itself socialist/communist. China.

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_vaccine/

[Benko]

FWIW: latest post from CRP below. Note: until recently almost all of his posts were on topics unrelated to politics i.e. this is not a doomporner. 13 min and worth listening to.

LEAVE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKF8eI9QbIA

[murphy_p_t]

Listen to the words of a KGB defector and draw your own conclusion.

https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI

[murphy_p_t]

FWIW: latest post from CRP below. Note: until recently almost all of his posts were on topics unrelated to politics i.e. this is not a doomporner. 13 min and worth listening to.

LEAVE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKF8eI9QbIA

The guy makes some good points. If it's reality, where are you going to go? Leave the West for a third world country? Won't the same thing end up happening there, too?

If you're a middle class or above white person in the western world and you move to the third world, they will likely view you as dinner. So you likely won't have to concern yourself with the long-term.

[Benko]

FWIW: latest post from CRP below. Note: until recently almost all of his posts were on topics unrelated to politics i.e. this is not a doomporner. 13 min and worth listening to.

LEAVE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKF8eI9QbIA

The guy makes some good points. If it's reality, where are you going to go? Leave the West for a third world country? Won't the same thing end up happening there, too?

He addresses your question in the video--he pointed out that countries less well off financially will have more difficulty subjugating their people then in richer countries. He has lived in the kind of counties he's talking about.

NB: I'm 61 so a little old to move out of US (though I'm really glad I didn't move to NZ a few years ago).

[sophie]

There's nowhere better to go than here, I'm afraid.

My answer to the thread title: No, not yet. But we're getting frighteningly close. Censorship, persecution for holding views that run counter to the state's preferences, a "Pravda" machine instead of the free press that the Founders envisioned, making nearly everyone reliant on the government via a huge expansion of the welfare state, destabilizing US society and local governments by throwing the southern border wide open, running the US economy into the ground with massive deficit spending among a myriad of damaging edicts, watering down education in favor of teaching racism and divisiveness, eliminating political checks and balances at the federal level.

Maybe the first thing to discuss is whether what I wrote above is true or not. If true, it sounds like many of the elements of communism are being put into place. And very much under the radar, i.e. without the explicit consent of the American people.

[I Shrugged]

It’s kind of 1984 meets the Brave New World. We have the surveillance state, lies, and lunacy of the former, and the happy drug (smartphones and social media) and loss of moral compass of the latter.

[I Shrugged]

Lot of great questions and comments in this thread. My thoughts:

There will be places to go. They won’t be the first world English countries. And probably not Western Europe.

The time to go is before it’s imperative, and no longer possible. So make a Plan B.

Start by getting a second passport. You may be eligible by descent. Or move somewhere and naturalize. Or citizenship by investment. We have second passports and it’s very comforting because if you get on the wrong side in your country, they can take your passport. And then you’re swimming across the river at night, if you can.

By the way, currently you can get a lifetime residence permit from Mexico without too much hassle. So get that, and there’s a river you can just walk across.

And put some gold overseas.

[Kriegsspiel]

I'm a few beers in, but let me take this for a spin.

I think you oldsters grew up in a "Communist takeover bad!" world and tend to associate communism with bad government, but there are other kinds. In the end, I don't think it really matters, because what they both have in common in repressive totalitarianism.

IMO, America has veered sharply towards a fascist state, not a communist one. Our government has steadily exerted more control over private companies and individuals. The wealth and means of production aren't being taken over by the state, and most of the wealthy seem to be generally in favor of higher income taxes.

What people usually call the communistic elements are more what I think of as late-Roman Empire patronage/feudalism. The wealthy fund almost all of the government, and use it in order to gather more wealth and power. The varied groups of people who are dependent on the government (government workers, contractors, welfare recipients, grant recipients) or on the wealthy (news companies, think tanks, lobbyist groups and publicists/advertisers) are, in a sense, dependent on their patrons, like how people were in the Roman Empire into the feudal age. This is a dynamic that the wealthy are cool with. They are even developing and shaping their own religion (wokism) to keep the lower classes in compliance.

I'd imagine that the way to break out is the same way they did centuries ago. Skilled workers with something of value to add to the world begin accumulating wealth and power themselves, and choking off sources of it that accrue to the oligarchs. Meanwhile, the "religious" controls that hobble their minds are broken and a more sensible and productive spirit results. Since it appears that historical trend churn has been accelerating over time, one might expect this cycle to occur much faster than the last times.

[Don]

Where to consider going?

Caymans
Singapore
Costa Rica
Poland

Anywhere else?

Didn't CraigR move to New Zealand? I wonder if he's regretting that move.

[Don]

Do you remember when everyone thought that Australia was a great place to deposit our gold because they respected people's rights? That narrative has sure changed, hasn't it?

[Benko]

Here is the original video I posted about earlier in this thread detailing is similarities between e.g. South America and here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjyGRoBVyGo&t=5s
TIME TO LEAVE AMERICA
1/12/2021

There is an additional video where he talks about possible places and strategies in moving, but I think it is not on YouTube (think it is on Patreon along with other video's that would get him cancelled if posted on YouTube).

[sophie]

Interesting thought that we might be conflating communism and fascism. It's a little hard to tell the difference, isn't it?

There are definitely socialists/communists pushing in that direction, but there are also those (e.g. the Clintons) who simply want power and control. They are aligned right now because their immediate goals are the same.

The problem is that I can't tell which is which. Why the heck would the wealthy want to destroy the economy and destabilize society via the floods of illegal migrants? Do they believe they're completely immune? Even if so, why would they want to have to construct fortresses to live in, and then never be able to leave?

[I Shrugged]

Where to consider going?

Caymans
Singapore
Costa Rica
Poland

Anywhere else?

Didn't CraigR move to New Zealand? I wonder if he's regretting that move.

Lots of places. I recommend the Nomad Capitalist channel on YouTube.

[Benko]

There are definitely socialists/communists pushing in that direction, but there are also those (e.g. the Clintons) who simply want power and control. They are aligned right now because their immediate goals are the same.

The problem is that I can't tell which is which. Why the heck would the wealthy want to destroy the economy and destabilize society via the floods of illegal migrants? Do they believe they're completely immune? Even if so, why would they want to have to construct fortresses to live in, and then never be able to leave?

Sophie,

1. Destroying something can be a prelude to rebuilding it in a different way of your own choosing. There is no shortage of info on e.g. great reset, etc. Don't most of them already live in fortified housing?

2. Did you see the item I posted in the other covid thread? Vaccinated patient dying of covid on vent is prescribed ivermectin (after exhausting all other options and family offered to sign liability waiver). Hospital refused doctors order of ivermectin and after family sued hospital, hospital refused judge's order to give the ivermectin. What does it say about medicine/society???

[johnnywitt]

Has it already happened? It seems that our elections are stolen, the media is Pravda, and the DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA are all politicized.

Is all lost?

No, we're not living under Communism, but we are living in a neo fascist economy (and have been for quite some time) & and you're starting to see the police state side of fascism rear it nasty little head.
ANTIFA are just the Neo Sturmabteilung apparatus of the new fascist state.
Totalitarians love to invent monikers that are quite the opposite of what they, in fact, actually are.
They are also great lovers of Reichstag style False Flags.

Is there hope: I sure 'hope' so!

[yankees60]

Has it already happened? It seems that our elections are stolen, the media is Pravda, and the DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA are all politicized.

Is all lost?

No, we're not living under Communism, but we are living in a neo fascist economy (and have been for quite some time) & and you're starting to see the police state side of fascism rear it nasty little head.
ANTIFA are just the Neo Sturmabteilung apparatus of the new fascist state.
Totalitarians love to invent monikers that are quite the opposite of what they, in fact, actually are.
They are also great lovers of Reichstag style False Flags.

Is there hope: I sure 'hope' so!

Just read the following...which seems to somewhat go along with your above....


https://www.aier.org/article/the-free-w ... -covid-19/

[Hal]

Totalitarians love to invent monikers that are quite the opposite of what they, in fact, actually are.
They are also great lovers of Reichstag style False Flags.

Plus they have a great sense of fashion
https://historyofyesterday.com/hugo-bos ... e599f9cb1f

Edit: Just received this link via email. Would like to say its fake-news, but unfortunately it's true. Sigh...
But top marks to the young folk trying to turn back the clock on what has happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cI0Q5UgFFU