Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

[Xan]

Do you agree with the logic of his analysis or find it to be fallacious?

Vinny

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Regardless of whether or not that's true, it's probably dwarfed by the Republican advantage in birth rates. For what that's worth.

I cannot tell if you are being serious or facetious? I've never heard of such a thing. Do you have any source for this?

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science ... -children/

From the article you linked:

Not that it makes much of a difference—staunch conservatives who are procreating to stack the ballot box are likely to be disappointed by their Occupy Wall Street children, and it is unlikely that the political fertility gap will have any bearing on how adults vote. Although it is true that some studies suggest that 70 percent of teens vote like their parents, more recent work suggests that parents who insist on their political views at home are more likely to see their children abandon those beliefs in college.

So what is your point Xan?

Well, that's editiorializing; I'm just establishing the fact about birth rates. Who knows which set of studies is right.

[yankees60]

Well, that's editiorializing; I'm just establishing the fact about birth rates. The article also says that studies show that 70% of teens vote like their parents.

So my home experience must have been abnormal, unusual. No political discussion in the house and not knowing how my parents voted?

The norm is to know your parents' political views and how they vote?

Which camp do each of you fit in?

[D1984]

Do you agree with the logic of his analysis or find it to be fallacious?

Vinny

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Regardless of whether or not that's true, it's probably dwarfed by the Republican advantage in birth rates. For what that's worth.

I cannot tell if you are being serious or facetious? I've never heard of such a thing. Do you have any source for this?

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science ... -children/

From the article you linked:

Not that it makes much of a difference—staunch conservatives who are procreating to stack the ballot box are likely to be disappointed by their Occupy Wall Street children, and it is unlikely that the political fertility gap will have any bearing on how adults vote. Although it is true that some studies suggest that 70 percent of teens vote like their parents, more recent work suggests that parents who insist on their political views at home are more likely to see their children abandon those beliefs in college.

So what is your point Xan?

You beat me to it. The sub-headline on the article was clickbaitish and the actual text of the article disagreed with it.

It doesn't matter how many more offspring group A had vs group B if group A's offspring turn around and give a majority of their votes to group B.

As for whether Millennials/Gen Zs are more likely to be left-leaning vs right-leaning:

https://theweek.com/republicans/1002288 ... electorate

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... al-issues/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mi ... ming-back/

https://psmag.com/ideas/gen-z-is-the-le ... good-thing

The above are about political leanings and religious leanings (which are a close enough proxy for how people generally tend to vote); if you look at the other major proxy or heuristic for voting behavior (higher level of education tends to vote more liberal) you will find that Millennials and Gen Zs are the most educated generations yet.

None of this means that the GOP is down for the count, of course. They have structural advantages (Senate, EC, gerrymandering) that mean that in a worse case scenario for Dems the GOP can still lose the popular vote by perhaps 4.5 to 6 points and still win at least one of the House, Senate, or Presidency.

On top of that, most of the excess (vs Democratic) GOP COVID deaths seem to be occurring in such deep red states that I doubt it will make much of a difference politically; if you win, say, Alabama, Mississippi, or Arkansas by 19 or 20 points instead of by 21 or 22 you've still won the state handily.

[Xan]

I'm replying to a quote that said that 640 more Republicans that Democrats are dying each day from Covid. I said that that was probably dwarfed by the Republican birth rate advantage. If there's ANY passing down of political philosophy from one generation to the other, then it absolutely will dwarf 640/day over the course of the current surge. No?

[glennds]

I'm replying to a quote that said that 640 more Republicans that Democrats are dying each day from Covid. I said that that was probably dwarfed by the Republican birth rate advantage. If there's ANY passing down of political philosophy from one generation to the other, then it absolutely will dwarf 640/day over the course of the current surge. No?

No, not necessarily.

There are three claims going on here:
1. More Republicans than Democrats are dying of Covid each day.
2. Republicans have more children than Democrats by a wide margin (41% your article says)
3. Therefore, the number of "replacement" Republicans due to the birth advantage dwarfs the Covid deaths.

In order for #3 to be a valid claim, you would have to know that those Republican children are going to grow up to be Republican voters, which is not possible to know. Your own article concludes that "it is unlikely that the political fertility gap will have any bearing on how adults vote".

Here's another way to check your thesis: if this birth advantage has been going on for some time (and I can't imagine why it would be a sudden phenomena), it doesn't bear out in the trends between the two parties, before Covid was ever a thing.
The country is generally shifting more Democrat and Democrat leaning Independent, and as D1984 mentions, the GOP has resorted to various countermeasures in response.
Presumably some of this shift is incoming voters with Republican parents who are voting Democrat, and I expect there are also incoming voters with Democrat parents who lean Republican.

Personally I think once kids are out of their teens and developing their own adult identities, their peer group often has more to do with their political leanings than their parents. I've witnessed this with some close friends, and much to the chagrin of the ultra conservative father in that family. BTW, I'm not suggesting the Covid death differential is significant in the overall voting bloc either.

[SomeDude]

Plus Republicans now are generally way more liberal or whatever than democrats of the past. Democrats now are basically a coalition of communists and purple-haired lunatics who believe in things like little boys getting hormone treatments to make them girls or worshiping anyone who isn't white.

Look at the last Republican president, Trump for example. Contrast his state of the Union speeches with Clinton and try figuring out who was more liberal. Clinton called them "illegal aliens" and called for a wall to be built. Trump supported Obamacare and massive welfare spending.

Eventually the republican candidate will be an openly gay black woman calling for socialism and a gun ban and we'll call her conservative. Of course the democract will be a blue-haired trans person who only speaks Spanish calling for total abolishment of property rights and a rainbow flag.

[yankees60]

Plus Republicans now are generally way more liberal or whatever than democrats of the past. Democrats now are basically a coalition of communists and purple-haired lunatics who believe in things like little boys getting hormone treatments to make them girls or worshiping anyone who isn't white.

Look at the last Republican president, Trump for example. Contrast his state of the Union speeches with Clinton and try figuring out who was more liberal. Clinton called them "illegal aliens" and called for a wall to be built. Trump supported Obamacare and massive welfare spending.

Eventually the republican candidate will be an openly gay black woman calling for socialism and a gun ban and we'll call her conservative. Of course the democract will be a blue-haired trans person who only speaks Spanish calling for total abolishment of property rights and a rainbow flag.

Have I ever read that assertion anywhere else? Seems like I've read that Eisenhower / Nixon / Reagan would be rejected by the current Republicans as being too liberal.

[Xan]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

[yankees60]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

[Mountaineer]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

[yankees60]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

I think you are no more than 5 years older than me, if that.

For me...again it was neutral...none of the above. All focused on the subject matters with nothing brought in outside of those subjects.

[Mountaineer]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

I think you are no more than 5 years older than me, if that.

For me...again it was neutral...none of the above. All focused on the subject matters with nothing brought in outside of those subjects.

I am truly sorry for your loss.

[glennds]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.
I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

[glennds]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I don't think we have a disagreement in facts. We have a logic disagreement about what to conclude from those facts.
But let's just say we have an irresistible force and an immovable object within a tempest within a teapot, and leave it like that.

[Mountaineer]

All I'm saying is that even the SLIGHTEST parental influence would dwarf the number of Covid deaths. Since you're saying you don't think the Covid deaths make a difference either, I think we're in violent agreement.

I have to say I'm surprised at the intensity of this argument. I thought it was well-known that left-leaning folks have far fewer children than right-leaning folks, which is why the left's control of public schools is such an issue.

I would agree with my highlighted portion...

When I grew up I found my public school education to be neutral. Yours?

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.
I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

Hi glennds, I'm curious about your statement, could you unpack it a bit please? It sounds to me like you may have attended a parochial school that talked about God a whole lot. I went to public schools in small town USA where, in addition to the typical school type subjects, "family" was the biggest value; there was little, if any, "left" or "right" influencing by the teachers (I don't even think there was a left or right on anyone's mind back then). Way back then in the dark ages the school teachers gave priority to a balanced "classical" education and understood that the parents were in charge of their children. Thanks.

[Cortopassi]

Now they are left wing indoctrination facilities.

I hear this a lot.

Can you explain what about them specifically are left wing indoctrination centers?

Or, how they might be different from, say a 60s-70s college campus that was hippie, pro-integration, anti-war, etc?

Is it possible you are the one who has changed over the decades?

[glennds]

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.
I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

Hi glennds, I'm curious about your statement, could you unpack it a bit please? It sounds to me like you may have attended a parochial school that talked about God a whole lot. I went to public schools in small town USA where, in addition to the typical school type subjects, "family" was the biggest value; there was little, if any, "left" or "right" influencing by the teachers (I don't even think there was a left or right on anyone's mind back then). Way back then in the dark ages the school teachers gave priority to a balanced "classical" education and understood that the parents were in charge of their children. Thanks.

Mountaineer,
Since you asked....
Yes, I went to parochial (Catholic) school where we took theology every day. I came to enjoy it. One of my teachers in particular used theology as a metaphor and compass for life which had an impact on me.
So I made two comments to you:

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.

This reflects that we were taught that God and family are equally important. So when I saw you mention family multiple times, well you get it.

I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

This comes from the idea that there is a circle of life that starts and ends with God. From this idea we use the term Creator. New babies are sometimes thought of as a miracle or a gift from God. And at funerals, it is often said to the survivors that the deceased is now with God, was called back to God, or in a "better place".

I know we live in a secular society, and this is a very secular forum, so not intending to offend anyone who does not share these beliefs and I never presume that they should be anyone else's. Also not trying to make a big deal of your post, I just threw out a reaction off the cuff really. But because you asked, there you have it.

[Mark Leavy]

The UK is still not recommending the vaccine for otherwise healthy children.

Coronavirus latest news: JCVI fails to recommend vaccines for healthy 12- to 15-year-olds

I had seen a few articles like this, but had never heard the reasoning as to why the vaccine was being denied to children. This one at least had some commentary on the reasoning.

They said it was "uncertain" what the impact of myocarditis - heart inflammation - would be "over the medium to long term" and potential risks outweighed the current benefits of vaccinating the age group.

Professor Adam Finn, head of the Bristol Vaccine Centre, said: "The main safety issue that we are aware of at the moment is inflammation of the heart muscle. This is rare and individuals who experience it usually get better quite quickly after the illness."

The EU's medicines agency is currently reviewing the risk of heart inflammation associated with the Pfizer vaccine, after the condition was reported in a 17-year-old in Denmark, who has since recovered.

I would have liked a little bit of discussion on what the mechanism is that produces the myocarditis - and why it is not a significant risk to people older than 17. It seems that that would be an interesting thing to know.

[Mountaineer]

God, family, country, family, apple pie, family, Chevrolets, family and baseball.

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.
I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

Hi glennds, I'm curious about your statement, could you unpack it a bit please? It sounds to me like you may have attended a parochial school that talked about God a whole lot. I went to public schools in small town USA where, in addition to the typical school type subjects, "family" was the biggest value; there was little, if any, "left" or "right" influencing by the teachers (I don't even think there was a left or right on anyone's mind back then). Way back then in the dark ages the school teachers gave priority to a balanced "classical" education and understood that the parents were in charge of their children. Thanks.

Mountaineer,
Since you asked....
Yes, I went to parochial (Catholic) school where we took theology every day. I came to enjoy it. One of my teachers in particular used theology as a metaphor and compass for life which had an impact on me.
So I made two comments to you:

You really should have listed God at least a couple of more times.

This reflects that we were taught that God and family are equally important. So when I saw you mention family multiple times, well you get it.

I would also accept it if you simply started with God and ended with God.

This comes from the idea that there is a circle of life that starts and ends with God. From this idea we use the term Creator. New babies are sometimes thought of as a miracle or a gift from God. And at funerals, it is often said to the survivors that the deceased is with God, was called back to God, or in a "better place".

I know we live in a secular society, and this is a very secular forum, so not intending to offend anyone who does not share these beliefs and I never presume that they should be anyone else's. Also not trying to make a big deal of your post, I just threw out a reaction off the cuff really. But because you asked, there you have it.

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Thank you for the explanation. Very well said.

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[Cortopassi]

Now they are left wing indoctrination facilities.

I hear this a lot.

Can you explain what about them specifically are left wing indoctrination centers?

Or, how they might be different from, say a 60s-70s college campus that was hippie, pro-integration, anti-war, etc?

Is it possible you are the one who has changed over the decades?

Read the Quilette article Kreigs linked in the other thread. Also add in CRT and other ridiculous woke BS, and there you have it. Jeez, the teachers unions in all the big cities are holding the children hostage to push completely unrelated social justice initiatives as clauses in their contacts. Is that a left or right wing thing in your opinion?

Those are all buzzwords to me. I have had the pleasure of being a marching band volunteer for the past four years, so am in and around the high school and 100+ kids and some teachers on a 1-3x a week basis.

The kids are 100x nicer and kinder than in the 80s when I went to school. Way more inclusive, and not giving a crap of your color or gender or size or sexuality. Whereas in the 80s, he's a fatass, fag, or gay, or a homo, with a clique and stereotype for every single kid who didn't conform.

I agree that I hear the word equity a lot more in talking with teachers. And having been a pretty privileged white guy my whole life, I have no issues with that at all.

I still am not clear on CRT. I sort of think it's a red herring to get you conservatives riled up and worried about your white futures. I don't hear or see any syllabus changes in history class, etc that is making me worried that history is being rewritten to show the white man fucked up everything for others (well, we sort of did....).

Anyway, not seeing it in any manner other than good.

Flame away....

[Kbg]

Well I think the main battle is over. Body temp has been normal for 24 hours, haven't thrown up and the bad headache is pretty much gone. Yesterday afternoon I was feeling pretty good (relatively) and decided to go to sleep lying flat and that was not a good idea. Popped awake around midnight and felt like I couldn't breath and started into another serious cough/gag cycle. Oxygen ratings were below 90 by quite a bit and I was thinking ah crap, this is going to end up in the hospital...anyway after I got over coughing and was able chill, my oxygen went back in the mid 90s and felt I was ok again and opted to go back to sleep vs. the emergency room. This time I went to sleep elevated LOL.

I'm quite sure I've turned the corner with the worst behind me but I'm definitely experiencing brain fog today. Typing this has taken quite a bit longer than it would for me normally. Thus far from my reading I've experienced a typical medium severity COVID infection. Interesting for me to ponder the potential result if I wouldn't have been vaccinated.

For the healthy guys out there, I'm one of you. I rarely get sick. As I've written several times, the virus doesn't care.

Well I think my "disease chronicle" will likely come to an end here as there's probably not much going forward that would be interesting.

[Xan]

Thanks for keeping us posted, kbg. Glad you're better.

[Kbg]

I'm glad you recognize your white privilege.
Or maybe you just worked your ass off in a STEM field. Whatever.

There's nothing wrong with being inclusive. It's the equity and diversity (read: reverse discrimination) that is problematic. They used to try and hide it, but now it's becoming bolder. Did you see the 2 viral videos this last week about:
-the teacher in Orange County CA who hid the classroom American flag and was having students pledge allegiance to the Gay Pride flag
-the HS teacher that was an open Antifa member and trying to brainwash his students (project veritas)

Ever notice how "conservative news" takes crazy crap that happens in CA and sells it to paranoid people in Iowa?

Turn off the news brother, your world will be instantaneously 100x better.

For the record, the other side does same and "finds crazy white racist, big beard with rebel flag" and sells the fact they are going to overrun California.

[Cortopassi]

I'm glad you recognize your white privilege.
Or maybe you just worked your ass off in a STEM field. Whatever.

There's nothing wrong with being inclusive. It's the equity and diversity (read: reverse discrimination) that is problematic. They used to try and hide it, but now it's becoming bolder. Did you see the 2 viral videos this last week about:
-the teacher in Orange County CA who hid the classroom American flag and was having students pledge allegiance to the Gay Pride flag
-the HS teacher that was an open Antifa member and trying to brainwash his students (project veritas)

Everyone has their time. Seems like, finally, after hundreds/thousands of years, it's white people's turn to get crapped on.

--Chinese exclusion act
--Every other ethnicity, "skin slightly darker than mine" prejudices
--Japanese internment, but hey, those Germans, no problem.
--Slavery and related
--Current immigrant hate
--Current Asian negativity because of Covid

And a couple teachers being stupid, out of 3.5 million. I am sure there's a lot worse things teachers are doing that is not being reported....like sucking at teaching!

[Cortopassi]

Turn off the news brother, your world will be instantaneously 100x better.

I cannot tell you how much my life has improved since about doing that this past Feb.

I was just accused by a friend (who keeps on sending me Trump and Covid links) of putting my head in the sand. To which I replied YES!