Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

[murphy_p_t]

Regarding the internet, it's where I get my news.

For example, somewhere around 1,000 people have lost their life after receiving the experimental biological agent injection.

I don't watch any television, but I doubt that has been reported widely by CNN and MSNBC.

In regards to your question if I would have resisted polio vaccine if the internet had been around, I would have to say no. I say that confidently because I separate propaganda from fax and reason.

[murphy_p_t]

I would like to point out to you that wet sidewalks do not cause rain.

Irrelevant ....you have a whole segment of people doing nothing too help the cause and will benefit ... I resent that the same way a vet has a right to resent a draft dodger who benefits from the freedoms they put themselves at risk for

I know you think it's irrelevant, that's precisely why I shared it with you.

[Maddy]

[Y]ou have a whole segment of people doing nothing too help the cause and will benefit ... I resent that the same way a vet has a right to resent a draft dodger who benefits from the freedoms they put themselves at risk for

To the contrary, those who wisely refuse to subject themselves to this insane genetic experiment--the longterm consequences of which are anybody's guess--are adhering to the time-tested epidemiologic principle of herd immunity. The screaming Karens who want a quick fix, or who are championing the effort to coerce others into being the canary in the coal mine, are unfairly reaping the benefit of commonsense effort to fight off a germ in the proven, old fashioned way. There's simply no logic in assuming the risks of a purely experimental therapy when the statistics establish unequivocally that the hoped-for result could be achieved much more readily by having the obese population lose weight. Don't see anybody calling for that.

[murphy_p_t]

In normal human trials of pharma products, does anyone know how many dead bodies can show up before the trial is ended?

[Cortopassi]

In regards to your question if I would have resisted polio vaccine if the internet had been around, I would have to say no. I say that confidently because I separate propaganda from fax and reason.

I don't understand why you make the distinction. In the little I've read about the polio vaccine, it as well was considered experimental, and also had bad side effects on some people, including those who believed it actually caused polio.
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"On 23 January 1953, Jonas Salk of Pittsburgh presented the results of his tests of a “killed virus” polio vaccine on 161 children to the Immunization Committee, a scientific advisory committee to the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis"
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"Several of the senior virologists on the Immunization Committee, notably the Nobel laureate John Enders of Harvard and Albert Sabin of Cincinnati, thought these plans precipitate. They questioned the relation of antibodies to permanent immunity and doubted the safety of a vaccine prepared from virulent poliovirus, whatever “inactivation” method was used."
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Given the limited number of original participants, and very vocal critics at the time, I am guessing you would have the same position as you do now with the Covid vaccine?

[murphy_p_t]

Well stated, Maddy.

There is a pathology in society now.

It resides between the ears of people who think they're heroic by submitting themselves to this experimental program, and trying to guilt others into joining them.

[Cortopassi]

We aren't changing anyone's minds here, just like on political threads.

Don't get the damn vaccine if you don't want to.

The sheeple, like me, will.

Maybe 6 months from now we all grow an extra appendage.

[murphy_p_t]

"Given the limited number of original participants, and very vocal critics at the time, I am guessing you would have the same position as you do now with the Covid vaccine?"

Okay, you caught me. I don't know enough about the goings on back then. My natural disposition is to be contrarian. So I would have definitely given the skeptics a hearing.

My limited knowledge is that polio was a much more real problem than the Wuhan flu is today. In that scenario, more drastic measures would be prudent. The situation today, as WiseOne has already pointed out, is that the Wuhan is akin to a bad flu season.

The mandated policies don't match the severity of the problem, which we now know *with certainty* 12 months into this madness.

[murphy_p_t]

Furthermore, we didn't have these nefarious characters like fauci and Bill Gates back in the days of polio, manipulating, even contriving a situation for their own agenda.

[murphy_p_t]

We aren't changing anyone's minds here, just like on political threads.

Okay, but for the sake of discussion and my edification, can you respond to the following....


In the meantime, I would like to ask why people are willing to subject themselves to experimental biological agents when we have evidence of a perfectly safe, effective and low cost treatment, and prophylactic?

*Ivermectin*

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask- ... -protocol/

[Cortopassi]

We aren't changing anyone's minds here, just like on political threads.

Okay, but for the sake of discussion and my edification, can you respond to the following....


In the meantime, I would like to ask why people are willing to subject themselves to experimental biological agents when we have evidence of a perfectly safe, effective and low cost treatment, and prophylactic?

*Ivermectin*

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask- ... -protocol/

I don't know the answer to that. Obviously, there is a bit of the madness of crowds going on here. The deaths, the reporting, the worry, the fear have all been feeding on themselves to the point where many/most are of the mind "give me a way out of this" and the vaccine is here, so are going for it.

As for a bad flu season, I don't know what WiseOne considers bad, but I have put this CDC chart up on excess deaths many times. It looks like an effing once in multiple decades bad flu season if you look at excess deaths?

[Maddy]

We aren't changing anyone's minds here, just like on political threads.

Don't get the damn vaccine if you don't want to.

The sheeple, like me, will.

Maybe 6 months from now we all grow an extra appendage.

And since the vaccine manufacturers enjoy immunity from suit, it is WE, presumably, who will pay for that appendage to be removed.

[murphy_p_t]

"I don't know the answer to that. Obviously, there is a bit of the madness of crowds going on here. The deaths, the reporting, the worry, the fear have all been feeding on themselves to the point where many/most are of the mind "give me a way out of this" and the vaccine is here, so are going for it."

I should have been more precise in my language. Why are you personally going to submit yourself to the experiment rather than taking the proven and safe treatment?

[Cortopassi]

"I don't know the answer to that. Obviously, there is a bit of the madness of crowds going on here. The deaths, the reporting, the worry, the fear have all been feeding on themselves to the point where many/most are of the mind "give me a way out of this" and the vaccine is here, so are going for it."

I should have been more precise in my language. Why are you personally going to submit yourself to the experiment rather than taking the proven and safe treatment?

Because I am reasonably convinced that the vaccine will be safe for me and have no desire for these types of attitudes and conversations to go on any longer than necessary.

Am I "giving in?" Caving? Sure, there's probably some of that.

I also partially think, yes it is a grand experiment. Hopefully successful, because this type of mRNA therapy could make for great changes in helping prevent many sicknesses and diseases going forward.

I fully expect to feel like shit for a couple days though.

---One other thing I would add -- about 13 people in my company have gotten it. A couple pretty bad. But >50% lost sense of smell/taste. Some have not fully recovered that.

I don't know how your proven therapies deal with that aspect, but I lost sense of taste/smell for about a year in my early 20s and to prevent that repeating would be enough to push me to get the vaccine. That SUCKED.

[murphy_p_t]

Okay. Thank you for acknowledging that you're submitting to groupthink and extortion.

[murphy_p_t]

Other cheerleaders for the experiment, please also weigh in.

[murphy_p_t]

I hope a metric for effectiveness measured by Bill Gates is not sterilization rate.

I mean, after all, he's on record as wanting to drastically reduce world population.

[murphy_p_t]

Other cheerleaders for the experiment, please also weigh in.

Are there any ivermectin debunkers out there?

[dualstow]

{ Gates }
I mean, after all, he's on record as wanting to drastically reduce world population.

Well it is getting kind of crowded in here.

[Tortoise]

I lost sense of taste/smell for about a year in my early 20s and to prevent that repeating would be enough to push me to get the vaccine. That SUCKED.

What caused you to lose your smell/taste for about a year in your early 20s?

[murphy_p_t]

{ Gates }
I mean, after all, he's on record as wanting to drastically reduce world population.

Well it is getting kind of crowded in here.

The motive behind the experiment may be to find out how many people will voluntarily try for the Darwin award.

[Cortopassi]

I lost sense of taste/smell for about a year in my early 20s and to prevent that repeating would be enough to push me to get the vaccine. That SUCKED.

What caused you to lose your smell/taste for about a year in your early 20s?

Bad sinus infection

murphy -- you are on a roll, my man....

[Cortopassi]

The main thing here, for me, on this, and other alternative theories, etc, is am am sure in some of your eyes I am naive.

But I like to think most (>99.9%?) of people out there are not nefarious. Are not trying to mess with or control my life. Are trying to do good.

Because that's how I am. I like to think most people are like me. Want to leave the world a better place.

On Gates, for example, BS: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checkin ... 9917566788 He was talking about lowering population growth, not the number of people.

He has his position on alternative energy, climate change, and other critical things that you are absolutely free to disagree with.

[dualstow]

Not to hijack, but I mean Gates has done more for population growth than virtually anyone else by pumping millions into sanitation and wiping out disease in India.

[Kbg]

The main thing here, for me, on this, and other alternative theories, etc, is am am sure in some of your eyes I am naive.

But I like to think most (>99.9%?) of people out there are not nefarious. Are not trying to mess with or control my life. Are trying to do good.

Because that's how I am. I like to think most people are like me. Want to leave the world a better place.

On Gates, for example, BS: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checkin ... 9917566788 He was talking about lowering population growth, not the number of people.

He has his position on alternative energy, climate change, and other critical things that you are absolutely free to disagree with.

You don't have to justify anything or apologize. This board happens to have a small number class A "personalities" who bring zero to a discussion other than strong opinions and the ability to shift topic if they don't have a response to a valid and substantiated counterpoint. You know their completely out of substance when they bring up wool producing mammals. If you got nothing divert or launch an insult and claim minority superiority...because you know, they see it all so much clearly than everyone else.

But Carto, do take great comfort that our mask freedom fighters are keeping the world safe for democracy. Truly heroic. I get chills up and down my spine every time I see one of them brazenly toss a face diaper to the side...inspiring, absolutely inspiring. If only I had such courage. Hold on for a second, I need to go munch on some grass and kick some raisins out my hindquarters.

Getting back on topic, one of the ways pandemics die out is they kill their hosts and afterward die out themselves. I suspect if the board doesn't change it won't be here in 3-5 years or if it is the # of contributors will be about 5-10 with echo chamber nirvana achieved. This place used to be able to hang with Bogleheads easily in terms of good financial discussion and legit alternative viewpoints on financial issues...uh, yeah, not so much these days. Let's just say it ain't 2014-2015 around here anymore.