Yes, the Democrats are indeed trying to steal the election

[Cortopassi]

If in a day, a week, a month, after all litigation, Biden is declared the winner, will you accept it?

I would accept Trump winning. Are you humble enough to accept a Trump loss, or will you go to your grave believing it was stolen?

Because if you are right, we get 4 more years of shit like this:

“Frankly, we did win this election,” Trump declared, while millions of ballots remained to be counted in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada.

“We’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” Trump added, without explaining how or on what basis. “We want all voting to stop.’’

[ahhrunforthehills]

If in a day, a week, a month, after all litigation, Biden is declared the winner, will you accept it?

I would accept Trump winning. Are you humble enough to accept a Trump loss, or will you go to your grave believing it was stolen?

Because if you are right, we get 4 more years of shit like this:

“Frankly, we did win this election,” Trump declared, while millions of ballots remained to be counted in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada.

“We’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” Trump added, without explaining how or on what basis. “We want all voting to stop.’’

I think that there will be a HUGE segment of society that will still think it was stolen no matter what. It would not be hard to convince the public that the "fake news", who shouted from the roof-tops how far Biden was ahead in the polls, had enough of a psychological effect to effect voter turnout that changed the results.

In fairness, the polls were off by soooo much that it would be easy to tell people it was some type of conspiracy. How the media handled the Hunter Biden story in the last week of the election could certainly be fuel for the fire.

Then there will probably be cries from the Republican politicians that Biden should be impeached (but they obviously don't have the votes).

I don't really care too much who wins either way... but I don't think that the country will just "come together" after this.

[sophie]

I think that there will be a HUGE segment of society that will still think it was stolen no matter what. It would not be hard to convince the public that the "fake news", who shouted from the roof-tops how far Biden was ahead in the polls, had enough of a psychological effect to effect voter turnout that changed the results.

This is the bigger issue. Unfortunately if Biden wins, the media will continue their brazen election manipulation (or "interference" if you will).

If Trump only had to contend with Biden, and not against both Biden and the media, I think it's quite likely he would have won handily. In that sense yes, I think this election was stolen from him. But not because of voting irregularities.

I fervently hope the Republicans grow a spine and come out against electioneering by the media. All they have to do is apply the same laws that govern PACs to media organizations. HIt them where it hurts and they will quickly learn to stop their anti-democratic activities.

[Cortopassi]

I still don't get you guys whining about the media!

I read NYT and CNN for my liberal sources.

My parents exclusively watch Fox.

My Trump friends exclusively read conservative internet sites.

I know plenty of people who don't even watch TV anymore.

Where are all the people being forced to listen/watch the liberal media nowadays? Is there something in the national news media charters/rules (I assume you're talking ABC/NBC/CBS) that they must be straight down the middle fair and balanced>?

[doodle]

Wait til biden steals georgia!

[doodle]

If in a day, a week, a month, after all litigation, Biden is declared the winner, will you accept it?

I would accept Trump winning. Are you humble enough to accept a Trump loss, or will you go to your grave believing it was stolen?

Because if you are right, we get 4 more years of shit like this:

“Frankly, we did win this election,” Trump declared, while millions of ballots remained to be counted in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada.

“We’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” Trump added, without explaining how or on what basis. “We want all voting to stop.’’

I will never accept a stolen election.
Of course I can't do anything about it, but I will never accept it.
If Biden "wins" it will because the Democrats have stolen the election.
Read the article above for details on just some of the fraud.

And as for the basis to go to the Supreme Court, it is election fraud on a massive scale, which began in Pennsylvania by the Secretary of State changing election law, which she has no authority to do. The Court has already agreed to take that case, which I guess you don't know.

Then we can add hundreds of thousands of fabricated ballots in Michigan and Wisconsin, that are all, i.e., 100%, for Biden. Read the article above and you will see.

But of course actually you won't see because you are blind.

Election fraud on massive scale! Hundreds of thousands of fabricated ballots!

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[Cortopassi]

Tech, good luck with that hard position. Seems it will eat at you forever if Biden wins.

[sophie]

Hmm, I just finally had time to pull up the article and read it. Tech, a little hint: inserting quotes from articles into your posts help focus attention on what you're trying to highlight.

Hundreds of thousands of ballots magically appearing in the dead of night, with 100% of the votes going to Biden - if that's true it sure does sound suspicious. And all the more so because Twitter censored any tweets that mentioned it.

Not judging here but Corto...you really should read the article. I'd like to see confirmation of that finding elsewhere, but....already it looks like recounts in Michigan and Wisconsin - with verification of all mailed ballots - is called for.

[doodle]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/ye ... nsylvania/

I see the problem....your sources of information are utter horseshit. I'm dead serious about that. The political right is captivated by alternative media which is almost in all cases conspiracy bullshit. This conspiracy porn is also something that is almost unique to the right. The left leaning media is dishonest and fabricates bullshit but in a different fashion. They misrepresent statements and character assassinate (not very difficult with Trump) and drive narratives...but the right media is completely loony.

[glennds]

I have been searching for an another source of this blockbuster story.

Here is one Fact Check article that attempts to explain the confusion in Michigan and clarify that Biden did not "suddenly" gain 138,000 votes from a data dump awarded 100% to him:
https://heavy.com/news/fact-check-biden ... -michigan/

And another that mentions the same along with the Arizona "Sharpiegate" conspiracy theory that Trump voters were handed sharpies for voting in an attempt to sabotage their ballots from being properly read, shared by Eric Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020- ... istortions

[glennds]

And as for the basis to go to the Supreme Court, it is election fraud on a massive scale, which began in Pennsylvania by the Secretary of State changing election law, which she has no authority to do. The Court has already agreed to take that case, which I guess you don't know.

Are you talking about the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court ruling that allowed election officials to count absentee ballots for three days past the November 3rd election date? As I understand it, this would cover ballots postmarked on or before election day but received up to three days after the election. The Republican party objected and lost at the State Supreme Court level. The case already went to SCOTUS which deadlocked 4-4 thus the lower court ruling stood, however with the possibility of SCOTUS hearing the issue at a later date if more information were provided.

Here is an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/us/s ... llots.html

If this is what you mean by election fraud on a massive scale, then I don't know what to say. Military ballots are usually afforded additional time for arrival also, I hope that does not make them fraudulent also.

BTW, I thought this was a useful state-by-state timeline of how and when ballots are received and counted. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ction.html
Quite a variation. I'm not sure if the Trump campaign has been selective about which State policies are objectionable. If they are going to object to all ballot deadlines that are post-election day, then I think they have a few more lawsuits to file.

[doodle]

I have been searching for an another source of this blockbuster story.

Here is one Fact Check article that attempts to explain the confusion in Michigan and clarify that Biden did not "suddenly" gain 138,000 votes from a data dump awarded 100% to him:
https://heavy.com/news/fact-check-biden ... -michigan/

And another that mentions the same along with the Arizona "Sharpiegate" conspiracy theory that Trump voters were handed sharpies for voting in an attempt to sabotage their ballots from being properly read, shared by Eric Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020- ... istortions

Oh but those fact checks are just part of the conspiracy. The amazing thing is you have a party on the one hand so incompetent that they couldn't possibly win. Biden can't even formulate a coherent sentence. He doesn't even know what state he is in half the time...on the other hand the democrats are geniuses at manipulating the system! They are masterminds when it comes to political games...are they buffoons? Are they geniuses? Are they an invading race of pedophile lizard people intent on overthrowing the US constitution with Sharia Law?

[doodle]

Maybe, just maybe outside of your right wing echo chamber...there are many americans like Glendds and corto and vinny and me who were just sick of Trump. Maybe that's the easiest way to explain all this. Maybe Trump is a chump and most americans agree on that and want him to disappear.

[sophie]

I have been searching for an another source of this blockbuster story.

Here is one Fact Check article that attempts to explain the confusion in Michigan and clarify that Biden did not "suddenly" gain 138,000 votes from a data dump awarded 100% to him:
https://heavy.com/news/fact-check-biden ... -michigan/

And another that mentions the same along with the Arizona "Sharpiegate" conspiracy theory that Trump voters were handed sharpies for voting in an attempt to sabotage their ballots from being properly read, shared by Eric Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020- ... istortions

So they stated that there was an error that was then fixed with the apparent 100% Biden vote "data dump".

Don't you think this in itself should mandate a recount? They're saying that there was a counting error that had to be fixed, as opposed to the idea of the data dump itself being an error. Either way, there was an error. If there was one error, there are likely to be more of them that went undetected.

Mind you, the error could go in either direction and we should all accept that. But, the simple fact that errors like this occurred will always cast doubt on the results. Why should anyone be against doing a recount? Except for the obvious reason that half the country likes the outcome as it stands and doesn't want to risk losing it.