What Did Trump Do That Was So Bad?

[doodle]

It's like being a trustworthy person is not something to be valued.

That's why Biden is best. We can trust him. Trump lies about how many people attended his rally.

Biden is honest. If he says he didn't get his son a job in the Ukraine then we know we can trust him. Because of his truthfulness.

Biden lies too....but no one lies like Trump. His lies are so prodigious that it's almost not even lying anymore because what he says is so unbelievable that it's almost a joke. One would have to be an idiot to believe anything he says.

Also, notice how I voted for Biden but criticize him profusely...and will do so if he gets into office.. That's the interesting thing about the conservative mind...once they lock onto something that they identify as part of their 'tribe' it becomes suddenly beyond reproach. Vinny asks a straightforward question about Trump and Tom deflects...with his usual whataboutism.

I don’t particularly like Trump. As a person or a president. I want the government to be so small it can’t hurt me. But Trump has minimized the pain of government to an extent and I’m personally better off.

I don’t go out of my way to defend Trump, since I’m not a trump supporter and I did not vote for him. But when someone posts some reason they dislike Trump, such as because he said bad things against the Central Park 5, I look into it and think jeez. That’s how I feel too. Independently.

When people say he lies and his biggest lie is how many people showed up at his rally or whether it rained, I think who gives a shit? I’d say the same if AOC lied about the weather, and I don’t care for her politics at all.

When Trump said there were good people on both sides of the Charlottesville case, YES, yes there were! It wasn’t just a bunch of white supremacists there. It has nothing to do with who said the line, but the contents of it that I agree with.

I try to be as impartial as possible to the action ignoring the actor or politics.

Ok, fair points.

I equally despise both parties but since this forum slants so heavily right I do what I can to provide some ballast. That therefore makes me a communist.

[doodle]

I equally despise both parties but since this forum slants so heavily right I do what I can to provide some ballast. That therefore makes me a communist.

Ah, okay I dislike liberals way more than I dislike conservatives.

Most obvious statement ever

[Cortopassi]

Speaking about lying, or exaggeration or "joking"

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/poli ... ted-states

For once a lot of republicans came out against this as well.

[doodle]

He literally has less self control than a five year old.

[yankees60]

He literally has less self control than a five year old.

Also, the logic or sense of fairness of a child?

At 2 AM or so I hear him say that he is demanding the immediate stopping of counting of all votes. Except for Arizona because if those continue to be counted he still has a chance of winning it.

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

Speaking about lying, or exaggeration or "joking"

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/poli ... ted-states

For once a lot of republicans came out against this as well.

They are trying to manufacture votes to steal the election.
That's the only reason for the last-minute illegal changes to election law by the Democrat governors.

Do you believe this is the case in all open states, or PA in particular? What did you think about the 2000 election?

You next piece of code should be some impenetrable vote by internet system so we can move into the 21st century and have results in 1 hour. 1 hour to vote. Done.

[doodle]

He literally has less self control than a five year old.

Also, the logic or sense of fairness of a child?

At 2 AM or so I hear him say that he is demanding the immediate stopping of counting of all votes. Except for Arizona because if those continue to be counted he still has a chance of winning it.

Vinny

Should have stopped arizona too. Biden gonna take that one as well

[Cortopassi]

So who’s the contender that’s mentally unhinged? hah

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

...there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported

[Xan]

So who’s the contender that’s mentally unhinged? hah

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

...there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported

Read the article Mountaineer linked to.

[Cortopassi]

So who’s the contender that’s mentally unhinged? hah

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

...there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported

Read the article Mountaineer linked to.

I did. If there’s any concern of vote dumping, there should be a recount in MI

But his last night speech and these Twitter comments continue the unpresidentialness I am ancy to get rid of!

[doodle]

So who’s the contender that’s mentally unhinged? hah

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

...there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported

Read the article Mountaineer linked to.

I did. If there’s any concern of vote dumping, there should be a recount in MI

But his last night speech and these Twitter comments continue the unpresidentialness I am ancy to get rid of!

Yes, of course you want him to accept that the election was stolen from him.
I thought it was possible to discuss issues with you but obviously that is not correct.
Back into the ignore list.

That's the problem with Techno, he ignores everything and everyone that doesn't fit into his constricted little worldview. Back to the echo chamber!

[Cortopassi]

Tech, I agree with doodle. Nothing more to say. Good luck with your life.

[Cortopassi]

I think I am now in the lead for tech’s ignores?

I’ll say again like I think I did previously, I bet tech and I could go out for a drink and find we have a lot in common and leave politics out of it and be friends. I have a number of friends who would side with tech's positions. We just don’t talk about politics much.

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

Sigh.

[Tortoise]

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

The litigation and recounts that are coming will take more than just a few days.

[Xan]

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

The litigation and recounts that are coming will take more than just a few days.

Hopefully it'll be well settled by the time the electors meet on December 14th.

[yankees60]

I think I am now in the lead for tech’s ignores?

I’ll say again like I think I did previously, I bet tech and I could go out for a drink and find we have a lot in common and leave politics out of it and be friends. I have a number of friends who would side with tech's positions. We just don’t talk about politics much.

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

Sigh.

I think I may be ahead or tied with you. I think I'm there now but it was not publicly announced as were all the other times.

If the pattern continues, unannounced, he'll bring his ball back out and allow us to play with him. Until the next time we are each guilty of some gross transgression wherein he takes the ball away again.

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

The litigation and recounts that are coming will take more than just a few days.

Hopefully it'll be well settled by the time the electors meet on December 14th.

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court will have to decide it well before then. The evidence of misconduct is so great that they won't be able to let it go by.

I am sure you may not see this response tech, but give me one, just one, reputable site or news organization that details this misconduct?

If the dems wanted to steal the election they sure freaking sucked at it. Lost house seats, didn't win the senate, squeaking by right now on president. They sure seem to be bad at this misconduct!

[yankees60]

I wish tech was a little less hard core. If Trump wins in the next few days, I’ll accept it. I won’t think it was stolen or litigated away.

The litigation and recounts that are coming will take more than just a few days.

Hopefully it'll be well settled by the time the electors meet on December 14th.

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court will have to decide it well before then. The evidence of misconduct is so great that they won't be able to let it go by.

I am sure you may not see this response tech, but give me one, just one, reputable site or news organization that details this misconduct?

If the dems wanted to steal the election they sure freaking sucked at it. Lost house seats, didn't win the senate, squeaking by right now on president. They sure seem to be bad at this misconduct!

Facts such as those mean nothing to a conspiracy true believer. Unless they can somehow twist it into fitting into their latest conspiracy theory!

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

This same sort of discussion is going on with a friend over email. This is a guy I have been friends with for >30 years.

Everything is a conspiracy.

We could land people on the moon in a couple years, purposely right next to a previous Apollo site and bring pieces back, and they still won't believe it.

And a lot of these people (no disrespect intended) have 100% blind faith that there is a God and heaven and afterlife. Maybe it goes hand in hand with being susceptible to conspiracies. I have been a doubting Thomas since I was very young.

[doodle]

This same sort of discussion is going on with a friend over email. This is a guy I have been friends with for >30 years.

Everything is a conspiracy.

We could land people on the moon in a couple years, purposely right next to a previous Apollo site and bring pieces back, and they still won't believe it.

And a lot of these people (no disrespect intended) have 100% blind faith that there is a God and heaven and afterlife. Maybe it goes hand in hand with being susceptible to conspiracies. I have been a doubting Thomas since I was very young.

To me this is the single most dangerous trend in this country. It isn't Trump, it's the fact that so many will buy into Trump's bullshit. Half our population wants to be convinced the magic is real. From what I've seen, the so called 'liberals' on this site are much more willing to question their 'Gods' and hold them accountable.

It's a psychological phenomenon. There are confirmed differences in the brains between progressives and conservatives. Somehow the conservative brain is wired to believe fantastical things...like the literal truth of the stories in the bible or the veracity of Trumps accusations.

[doodle]

The other thing is, they aren't dumb. Their stories aren't gibberish. They are missing key points or overlooking important details, but the narrative makes sense and is captivating. So you have very intelligent people basically concocting their own convincing version of the truth and peddling it to millions of other like brained individuals that then buy wholeheartedly into the story. Techno is a good example of this. He isn't dumb. In fact he is probably way above average intelligence. But that intelligence is then employed in concocting fantastical stories to fit preconceived ideas instead of unconvering the truth.

[doodle]

How do you convince a smart person they are basically hallucinating? I've dealt with schizophrenics before...many very intelligent ones. It's very difficult to convince them that the thoughts in their head are hallucinations. Sometimes they are so intelligent they can almost convince you. It's amazing how persuasive they can be

[yankees60]

The other thing is, they aren't dumb. Their stories aren't gibberish. They are missing key points or overlooking important details, but the narrative makes sense and is captivating. So you have very intelligent people basically concocting their own convincing version of the truth and peddling it to millions of other like brained individuals that then buy wholeheartedly into the story. Techno is a good example of this. He isn't dumb. In fact he is probably way above average intelligence. But that intelligence is then employed in concocting fantastical stories to fit preconceived ideas instead of unconvering the truth.

As usual, all well stated, Mr. Doodle!!!

Vinny

[Xan]

I don't think there's any need to say this is a phenomenon on one side of the aisle. People are rationalizing machines. We can and will rationalize anything.

[doodle]

I don't think there's any need to say this is a phenomenon on one side of the aisle. People are rationalizing machines. We can and will rationalize anything.

That's the problem with being rational....you can rationalize anything. That's the curse of being human and the wisdom of nature. Once you remove the human construct of ethics and morality and boil everything down to physical forces there is no right or wrong...there just is. It's our stories that gum up the machine.