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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 pm

Where was Hillary Clinton when this happened?
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by flyingpylon » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 pm

The question is: What will the RINOs do?
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm

vnatale wrote:
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technovelist wrote:
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vnatale wrote:
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The American people do have a say in the selection of Supreme Court justices, because they vote for Presidents who nominate them and Senators who confirm them.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:25 pm

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So McConnell agrees with me.
And of course it is up to him, not you or me.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:26 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 pm
The question is: What will the RINOs do?
We only need 50 votes in the Senate, not counting Pence. I don't think there are enough RINOs to block it.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:57 pm

So if this doesn’t happen the Democrats will steal the election.

But if she stayed alive they were going to steal it anyway

I guess there’s no way Trump can lose. Either he wins, or the democrats stole it?

According to NPR, there are at least 5 republicans that will not vote until after Jan 20.

This has the potential of energizing both sides.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Tyler » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:01 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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According to NPR, there are at least 5 republicans that will not vote until after Jan 20.
We're just a few hours in. I'm not buying that NPR has a hard count either way before the bargaining and arm twisting even starts. We'll see.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by glennds » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm

There seems to be a presumption that any vote for a SCOTUS appointee will fall strictly along party lines.
Maybe it will, but if so, it is an example of the normalized deviancy of polarized partisanship, which has not historically been the case with appointees, contrary to what McConnell's nostalgic "going back to the 1800's" statement suggests.

As examples here are the confirmation votes for some recent justices (not all):

Roberts 78-22
Breyer 87-9
Ginsburg 96-3
Souter 90-9
Kennedy 97-0
Scalia 98-0

I selected these examples to demonstrate that bi-partisan Senate voting is not only possible but common. And contrary to McConnell's statement this shows plenty of Senate support for the appointee of an opposing party President whether the President's party was majority in the Senate at the time or not. Also, the voting history implies that the criteria for approval was not limited to the party of the appointing President, which itself is a refreshing idea.

So this brings us back to the question of how McConnell will answer the conundrum of why his logic was sound in blocking Garland's hearings in February of an election year, but not applicable here.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Xan » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 pm

I don't know that I have a better system, but I'd just like to point out that lifetime appointment for these judges makes for some horrible mixing of politics with humanity. Some huge portion of the country is effectively always hoping that the right person will die. We ghoulishly plot out how long so-and-so has left.

I suppose it was the same on steroids in the days of true monarchs, where the government would completely change when one person died.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Mark Leavy » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:01 pm

Damn. I just saw the news. I didn't think 2020 could get any more chaotic. Maybe I will throw another steak on the grill tonight...
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:02 am

Tyler wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:01 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:57 pm
According to NPR, there are at least 5 republicans that will not vote until after Jan 20.
We're just a few hours in. I'm not buying that NPR has a hard count either way before the bargaining and arm twisting even starts. We'll see.
Agreed.
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