Autonomous Enclave in Georgia, USA

[dualstow]

Emerson College professor Roger House writes:

The notion of a sovereign ethnic state is well within the historic experience of American politics. Other marginalized groups have used majority-minority status to their advantage since the 19th century — foremost, the Mormons in Utah, Asian Americans in Hawaii, and Hispanics in New Mexico.

The strategy might work for black Americans as well, if there is the political vision.

...

History and demographics point to Georgia as the most likely place for a black majority-minority state. More than 30 percent of the population is black and ready to address suspicions of election fraud. That means African Americans have a chance to create a version of an “Israel” safe haven, a state where they oversee the design of laws, programs and police forces in large measure.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-right ... w-approach

[Libertarian666]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

But how about libertarians having their own enclave? If everyone else can do it, why not?

[dualstow]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

But how about libertarians having their own enclave? If everyone else can do it, why not?

New Hampshire.

[Mark Leavy]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

But how about libertarians having their own enclave? If everyone else can do it, why not?

New Hampshire.

I was thinking exactly that. Jake, who has posted on this forum in the past, did a great podcast on the The Free State Project in New Hampshire.

It goes about how you would imagine
Libertarians run the gamut from sensible, creative people to lovable and/or edge-away-slowly nutcases.

[Hal]

Been there... done that....

Leonard Casley (28 August 1925 – 13 February 2019)[13] declared the principality an independent province in 1970 in response to a dispute with the government of Western Australia over what the Casley family considered draconian wheat production quotas.[14] The Casley farm had around 4,000 hectares (9,900 acres) of wheat ready to harvest when the quotas were issued, which allowed Casley to sell only 1,647 bushels or approximately 40 hectares (99 acres).[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal ... Hutt_River

Honestly, can you believe a government has a right to determine how productive you are

[I Shrugged]

Slab City California
Terlingua Texas

Both are effectively free zones.

[Mark Leavy]

Slab City California
Terlingua Texas

Both are effectively free zones.

I've been to slab city. You are correct. Pretty rough living, but an interesting and eclectic group. Don't show up at night unannounced.

[Mark Leavy]

Slab City, April 2013

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[Libertarian666]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

But how about libertarians having their own enclave? If everyone else can do it, why not?

New Hampshire.

I was thinking exactly that. Jake, who has posted on this forum in the past, did a great podcast on the The Free State Project in New Hampshire.

It goes about how you would imagine
Libertarians run the gamut from sensible, creative people to lovable and/or edge-away-slowly nutcases.

As far as I know, New Hampshire still has a state government.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Libertarian666]

Slab City, April 2013

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I would prefer that to CHAZ if those were my only options, but it doesn't look very inviting.
I was thinking more along the lines of the North American Confederacy novels of L. Neil Smith, or the Lunar society in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

[Libertarian666]

Slab City California
Terlingua Texas

Both are effectively free zones.

I've been to Terlingua. I can't say that I noticed much government but then I wasn't thinking of moving there.

[Mark Leavy]

Slab City, April 2013

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I would prefer that to CHAZ if those were my only options, but it doesn't look very inviting.
I was thinking more along the lines of the North American Confederacy novels of L. Neil Smith, or the Lunar society in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

There was a fascinating time period in US/Mexican history where Texas wasn't sure if it wanted be part of the federation and the Yucatan wasn't that into Mexico. They almost joined and became an independent nation.

That would have been a tough nation to conquer. Texans and Mayans are damn independent and willing to run into the fray. Plus, can you say "Best barbacoa on the planet?"

[dualstow]

As far as I know, New Hampshire still has a state government.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So would Georgia in the OP, at least in the beginning. According to the proposal, it would have to begin with likeminded people moving there.

[Libertarian666]

Slab City, April 2013

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2013-04-09 16.09.54.jpeg

I would prefer that to CHAZ if those were my only options, but it doesn't look very inviting.
I was thinking more along the lines of the North American Confederacy novels of L. Neil Smith, or the Lunar society in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

There was a fascinating time period in US/Mexican history where Texas wasn't sure if it wanted be part of the federation and the Yucatan wasn't that into Mexico. They almost joined and became an independent nation.

That would have been a tough nation to conquer. Texans and Mayans are damn independent and willing to run into the fray. Plus, can you say "Best barbacoa on the planet?"

Sounds right to me.
BTW, I've heard that Texas reserved the right to secede in their agreement to join the US, but I think that's an urban legend.

[Libertarian666]

As far as I know, New Hampshire still has a state government.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So would Georgia in the OP, at least in the beginning. According to the proposal, it would have to begin with likeminded people moving there.

I'm all in favor of that experiment. Maybe it would be great!

[Xan]

Slab City, April 2013

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I would prefer that to CHAZ if those were my only options, but it doesn't look very inviting.
I was thinking more along the lines of the North American Confederacy novels of L. Neil Smith, or the Lunar society in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

There was a fascinating time period in US/Mexican history where Texas wasn't sure if it wanted be part of the federation and the Yucatan wasn't that into Mexico. They almost joined and became an independent nation.

That would have been a tough nation to conquer. Texans and Mayans are damn independent and willing to run into the fray. Plus, can you say "Best barbacoa on the planet?"

Sounds right to me.
BTW, I've heard that Texas reserved the right to secede in their agreement to join the US, but I think that's an urban legend.

I think you're right on that, tech. Secession was considered to be a right of every state so there was no need for special dispensation. Turns out it would have been a good idea to get one anyway.

I do believe that Texas has the option to split itself into up to 5 states. That would be an interesting maneuver in terms of Senate representation.

[I Shrugged]

Great photos, Mark!

[I Shrugged]

At some point it comes down to things that HB wrote in How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World.

You choose to live free. Too many people today, especially I think on the left, choose to be kept persons, as in the term a kept woman.

[stuper1]

Is it racist to think that white people are more racist than other races?

[WiseOne]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

We have those already here in NYC:

The South Bronx
Bedford-Stuyvesant
East Harlem

They are indeed poor and crime-ridden, and filled with residents who are very aggressive about demanding (and getting) handouts from the city.

Except for the fact that I'm paying for those handouts, I'm perfectly happy for those residents to live as they please, free of law enforcement inside the boundaries of their little enclave if that's what they want. The problem of course is that criminals are usually prone to travel a bit. A well-patrolled zone around it or a good solid wall would be needed.

[Libertarian666]

If they want to do it, I have no objection.
I suspect it would be extremely poor and crime-ridden but maybe not; in any event, the experiment would be enlightening.

We have those already here in NYC:

The South Bronx
Bedford-Stuyvesant
East Harlem

They are indeed poor and crime-ridden, and filled with residents who are very aggressive about demanding (and getting) handouts from the city.

Except for the fact that I'm paying for those handouts, I'm perfectly happy for those residents to live as they please, free of law enforcement inside the boundaries of their little enclave if that's what they want. The problem of course is that criminals are usually prone to travel a bit. A well-patrolled zone around it or a good solid wall would be needed.

Yes. Like the border around CHAZ.

[yankees60]

We have those already here in NYC:

The South Bronx

What section of the Bronx is Yankee Stadium considered to be in?

Vinny

[bedraggled]

Vinny,

The closest listed neighborhood to Yankee Stadium is Highbridge. That is the name of the first bridge into Manhattan, built in the 1840s to bring a supply of clean water to Manhattan. The Stadium is in an area near MacCombs Dam park. There is also MacCombs Dam bridge. So, maybe the neighborhood is related to that. I think it is in the South Bronx at the boundary to the next adjoining area, West Bronx, where I lived.

[bedraggled]

The two significant streets near Yankee Stadium are W 167th Street to the north and W 149th Street to the south. West 149th Street is more a shopping/transportation hub. I think W 167th would be the South Bronx boundary and the Cross Bronx Expressway at W 170th Street would reinforce the notion. Mott Haven is the neighborhood to the immediate south of YS. That’s the next stop going downtown on the 4 train.

[bedraggled]

Wikipedia says “Concourse” as in the Grand Concourse but I don’t think so. Another Wiki entry says”Highbridge.” I am happy.