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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by CT-Scott » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:52 pm

Meanwhile, he's now sparring on Twitter with Representative Thomas Massie, one of the few representatives who actually cares about limited government, the US Constitution, and accountability.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by flyingpylon » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:06 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:52 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:36 pm
Perhaps the processes for obtaining more tests and treatments are going much more smoothly but ventilators need the attention right now.
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
All of those things are in the works right now.
If ramping up production of treatments (like hydroxychloroquine) are underway and are going smoothly, have we been getting regular updates about it from the government? My understanding is that thus far, we haven’t.
Seems like nothing has been spoon-fed to us, but there are probably other ways to find out for anyone that wants to look into it.

Tests and treatments can be going "more smoothly" than ventilators without actually going "smoothly". It's all relative.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:45 pm

One thing Trump seems to be doing really well during this pandemic is recognizing the importance of hope and psychology as part of our overall strategy. He seems to be doing his best to give at least a glimmer of hope to the American people regarding the return to work and daily life.

This isn't just a medical and economic crisis. It's a social crisis as well, because we are human beings and we are scared of the unknown. The medical experts are focused on medicine, not psychology, so they want to take the most conservative medical approach of keeping the economy and society in a medically-induced coma for months -- without speculating as to when people might be able to start returning to work.

By contrast, Trump seems to recognize that a glimmer of hope can help ease the panic slightly and give people a small measure of comfort in the midst of chaos. As Scott Adams has pointed out on his podcast, people -- and markets, and managers, etc. -- almost universally prefer a wildly speculative guess to no guess at all. Any schedule, even one that's likely wrong and will need to be heavily revised, is preferable to no schedule at all.

So yes, Trump is obligated to listen to his medical experts' advice and take it into serious consideration, but he's not obligated to follow their advice. Because ultimately, Trump is making decisions that involve more than just medicine and health. He's performing cost/benefit analyses and making higher-level leadership decisions that also impact the economy and broader human society.

Yes, Trump has occasionally made blunders and mistakes, and continues to do so. But his expertise in persuasion is helping to calm the minds of the American people by giving them something to look forward to this coming Easter -- whether it's good news or just revised estimates and strategies.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Tortoise » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:38 pm

technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Sure enough, Trump has now invoked the Defense Production Act to compel GM to produce ventilators:

https://apple.news/ANDKwRq3URRW5NmUFanqn7g
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 pm

shekels wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Wow.. This is why the 2 Amendment exists.
I'm not following your logic.

One time when I was the head of our accounting department for our business I spent an hour trying to explain to an employee why something had to be done a certain way. Her doing this part of the job was critical to everyone else getting their jobs done and the big picture getting accomplished.

After that hour was up I believed I'd spent sufficient time listening to her point of view and my trying to persuade her of mine and if we spent any more time discussing then there was not going to be enough time left for her to accomplish this essential task. So that was one of the rare times I actually had to order someone to get something done. It's why I still so remember it 40 years later.

And, I believe that persuasion is the greatest form of leadership while someone who routinely relies upon positional power by giving orders is generally a poor leader.

You get people to do it. But you are not getting the whole person to do it.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 pm
shekels wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Wow.. This is why the 2 Amendment exists.
I'm not following your logic.

One time when I was the head of our accounting department for our business I spent an hour trying to explain to an employee why something had to be done a certain way. Her doing this part of the job was critical to everyone else getting their jobs done and the big picture getting accomplished.

After that hour was up I believed I'd spent sufficient time listening to her point of view and my trying to persuade her of mine and if we spent any more time discussing then there was not going to be enough time left for her to accomplish this essential task. So that was one of the rare times I actually had to order someone to get something done. It's why I still so remember it 40 years later.

And, I believe that persuasion is the greatest form of leadership while someone who routinely relies upon positional power by giving orders is generally a poor leader.

You get people to do it. But you are not getting the whole person to do it.

Vinny
Excuse me if I misunderstood,
The way it came off to me was that things are going to change ether way.
By persuasion, and if that fails force.
Sounds a like bit like reeducation or death.
Edit:
To Force a Public company to change business practices does not sound like Liberty to me.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:24 pm

shekels wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 pm
shekels wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:08 pm
A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Wow.. This is why the 2 Amendment exists.
I'm not following your logic.

One time when I was the head of our accounting department for our business I spent an hour trying to explain to an employee why something had to be done a certain way. Her doing this part of the job was critical to everyone else getting their jobs done and the big picture getting accomplished.

After that hour was up I believed I'd spent sufficient time listening to her point of view and my trying to persuade her of mine and if we spent any more time discussing then there was not going to be enough time left for her to accomplish this essential task. So that was one of the rare times I actually had to order someone to get something done. It's why I still so remember it 40 years later.

And, I believe that persuasion is the greatest form of leadership while someone who routinely relies upon positional power by giving orders is generally a poor leader.

You get people to do it. But you are not getting the whole person to do it.

Vinny
Excuse me if I misunderstood,
The way it came off to me was that things are going to change ether way.
By persuasion, and if that fails force.
Sounds a like bit like reeducation or death.
Edit:
To Force a Public company to change business practices does not sound like Liberty to me.
Trump just did it today. So much for relying upon business volunteerism.

I believe Roosevelt did it regularly during World War II.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:33 pm

In this Bailout that was signed today.
Has the Fed been taken over by the Treasury?
Has Trump just nationalized the Private bank know as the FED and
merged it into the treasury.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cur ... 52807.html
I guess we will see.

If the treasury has control of the Monetary Policy, hang on to your hats.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:12 am

Fact check: Trump falsely denies saying two things he said last week

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics ... index.html
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Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:30 am

Mitch Albom: Hey, President Donald Trump, her name is Gretchen Whitmer
She has a name. It is not "the woman." It is Gretchen Whitmer. And she's doing her job to protect Michiganders from the deadly coronavirus pandemic.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 935591001/
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:36 pm

Giving credit where credit is due. A point for Trumpy Bear.

U.S. Labels Russian White Supremacist Group as Global Terrorist
First time a white supremacist organization Is targeted by terrorism designation

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-labels ... 1586202978

side note: if you're going to form a homophobic group, don't call yourself RIM.
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Post by dualstow » Tue May 26, 2020 12:28 pm

There's a subscriber in the Comments section of the WSJ with technovelist's real name. I thought, ooh, is it tech? I read some of the comments. Definitely not tech. 😂.
Common name.
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