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Most obits of non-celebrities that I see do not state the cause of death.yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:47 am It just occurred to me when thinking about how often I now see / hear / read people making references to how many flu deaths we have every year.
Have any of you ever read an obituary wherein it is stated that they died from the flu? I do not believe that I have.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mdwilson1991 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:32 pmI'm sorry but your numbers are wrong.
The President said, a month ago:
"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
So it must be down to just a handful by now.
Not in an obituary. But sometimes through word of mouth I'll hear about an older person dying of pneumonia. Presumably the pneumonia is some kind of secondary infection brought on by something like the flu. But that level of detail rarely comes up in the conversations.
Don't death certificates have to specify a cause of death? And, if so, is "old age" a cause?Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:43 amNot in an obituary. But sometimes through word of mouth I'll hear about an older person dying of pneumonia. Presumably the pneumonia is some kind of secondary infection brought on by something like the flu. But that level of detail rarely comes up in the conversations.
If someone dies of pneumonia, I'm not sure if doctors categorize the official cause of death as "pneumonia" or the primary illness that eventually led to the pneumonia. And if the person who died was really old and frail, it seems like the illness that tipped them over the edge is more of a minor detail and they kind of just died unofficially of "old age."
Yes, I believe they do, and no, I don't think "old age" is an official cause (hence my use of the term "unofficial" in relation to it).
Agreed. The daily press conferences were terrible for starting late, but it seems they have gotten the word that TV news and millions of people are expecting these at a certain time, and they've gotten better.yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:53 am As I continue to watch this House of Representatives debate and see almost all of them go over their allotted times I am reminded of something I frequently say: "I don't trust anyone with my money who is clearly demonstrating to me that they cannot manage time."
Vinny
The annual death rate for flu is a statistical model, so we can hope it is accurate, but I have no sense of that.Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:01 amYes, I believe they do, and no, I don't think "old age" is an official cause (hence my use of the term "unofficial" in relation to it).
For what it's worth, here are a graph and table showing the most common official causes of death:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... th_by_rate
Interestingly, the graph and table don't explicitly include the words "influenza" or "virus," but they do include terms like "infectious diseases," "respiratory infections," "respiratory diseases," and "lower respiratory tract infections."
I'm not sure how flu death statistics are officially tracked if the word "influenza" never appears on official death certificates. Yet in recent weeks we've been seeing lots of references to "N deaths per year due to the flu" like it's an easily verified fact. Maybe annual flu deaths are just estimated, not measured, based on some kind of model using various assumptions.
according to R. Rex Parris, the mayor of Lancaster, California.
The Lancaster teen tested positive for covid-19, but the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is reportedly evaluating the case to see if there’s another explanation for his death.
There have also been allegations from health care workers in the U.S. that some covid-19 deaths aren’t being properly counted, even as hospitals become overwhelmed with patients, sometimes waiting hours to get tested.
People are already dying in New York emergency rooms waiting for ICU beds, according to the New York Times.
Health Insurance Death Panelsdualstow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:26 am Teen Who Died of Covid-19 Was Denied Treatment Because He Didn't Have Health Insurance
https://gizmodo.com/teen-who-died-of-co ... 1842520539
Yeah, we have no idea what you're talking about, Vin.
We are just about to start an organization online meeting. If you go to C-Span should probably be on the front page. Representative from Michigan. They made a point of showing it in full again.
ah thank you. They should just cut her mic like they do at the Rose Garden.Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:39 pm I think Vinny must be referring to this clip:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4864233/ ... mi-pick-em
