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Re: BYND

Post by pmward » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:33 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:43 pm
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Aside from that, eating some fermented foods like yogurt, sauerkraut, bubbies pickles, etc can definitely help as well.
+1 on Bubbies sauerkraut and pickles. If the only sauerkraut you've had is the pasteurized, non-refrigerated stuff found on grocery store shelves, you're missing out. It's not cheap considering it's just cabbage, water and salt but it sure is tasty. I used to love their bread & butter pickles too but my local store no longer sells them.
Yes I'm polish so I grew up with my grandma, who lived on a farm, always making home fermented sauerkraut and pickles with freshly picked vegetables. It was a staple in her house and I loved it so every time I would go visit she would send me home with jars of the stuff. So I was spoiled growing up and as such I've never liked the grocery store stuff. All it is is cabbage or cucumbers in vinegar. It's a completely different thing. Bubbies, while still not as good as my grandma's, do pass the pollack test, haha.
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Re: BYND

Post by dualstow » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:27 am

I love sauerkraut as well. Polish grandmother, but she’s not the source.

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Re: BYND

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:05 pm

For people who are thinking meatless is the right choice, from market-ticker.org:
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You gotta be kidding me.

Beyond Meat is, basically, pea protein (ok) and both coconut and canola oils.

Let's start with the pea protein. It's a complete protein (meaning all nine essential amino acids are in it) however one is deficient -- present, but very low (methionine.) Therefore it should not be your only protein source; that imbalance can be significant over time. If you're attempting to use this product as a meat replacement and otherwise eschew meat, that could be very bad news. If it's coupled with other meat sources, not so much, but then why use this garbage at all? Ok, enough with the pea protein since in general it's mostly-ok.

Canola oil, on the other hand, while not nearly as nasty as corn oil is still a vegetable oil product. The primary concern for all vegetable oils is that they are full of PUFA -- polyunsaturated fatty acids. There are two primary ones; Omega-3 and Omega-6.

Omega 3 is generally good and 6 bad. However, absolute quantity matters. Omega 6 tends to be very high in western diets, and it's implicated in inflammation and other systemic problems -- including metabolic disease (e.g. diabetes and related issues.) Never mind that the Omega 3 from plant sources -- including canola -- is almost-always worthless as it's ALA, which is nearly-impossible for the body to convert into DHA and EPA. The latter two are beneficial in your diet but are not found in vegetable sources; the former is not harmful but also not beneficial. So you get the Omega 6 without the benefit of the Omega 3. Meh.

As I have said repeatedly the amount of PUFAs you should ingest "neat", that is, not from consumption of actual raw vegetable sources, is zero.

Coconut oil is of course from a nut, not a vegetable. It has a lot of saturated fat in it, but you won't find me on the bandwagon that says that's bad. The evidence says the opposite. The bigger problem with all vegetable and nut oils is that they get materially worse when heated, and of course nobody heats the meat in a burger say, on a grill -- right?

Then there's "yeast extract"; the better name for this is MSG, but we don't want to call it that. Why not? Because plenty of people avoid MSG. I'm not on that particular bandwagon but some are, and guess what -- it's in there.

Then there's carrageenan. I'm not sold on the science here, but this is again one of those why **** with that sort of ingredient. It's used as a thickener and preservative and is widely found in processed foods. The problem? It's linked to all sorts of intestinal issues, some of them very nasty (like colon cancer!)

The issue is that when the substance (which is found in red seaweed) is processed with acids it degrades and the degraded form is a known problem. In fact the degraded form cannot be used in foods for this reason. Guess what's in your stomach? Uh huh -- powerful acids. While this stuff has been used as a food additive for a long time so have hydrogenated vegetable oils and we know what the science says on that after decades of lying about the "health benefits" of such oils.

Want to eat a chemistry set? Be my guest.

Hard pass here; I'll take the cow thank you very little.
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Re: BYND

Post by dualstow » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm

(Corto)Want to eat a chemistry set?
Nah, just want to hold the stock, though I do partake
now and then to give the cows a break.
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Re: BYND

Post by pugchief » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:09 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:05 pm
For people who are thinking meatless is the right choice, from market-ticker.org:
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Pardon me while I go to my nutritional counselor for some investing advice. O0
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Re: BYND

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Re: BYND

Post by pugchief » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:06 am

Cortopassi wrote:
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More on Keto:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... rformance/
IDK, if I had a gun and you tried to take away my pizza and beer, it could get ugly. :D
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Re: BYND

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:38 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:17 am
More on Keto:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... rformance/
I saw that, what a dumb fucking idea. ::)

SOCOM's science and technology director isn't even right about it.
The diet works to deprive the body of glucose needed for energy and forces it to burn stored fats instead.
Not exactly. You burn the fat you eat. If you don't eat enough, THEN you burn bodyfat. The same thing happens when you don't eat enough of a high carb diet too; people have been losing fat eating oatmeal and rice since forever.
For the keto nutritional plan to be successful, it has to be followed strictly, and that includes after-hours and weekends. Even a service member on leave would possibly face a restricted diet because it simply takes too long for the body to readjust and function in the ketosis stage after a weekend of dietary backsliding and binging on pizza, burritos, and beers.
No it doesn't. She's literally describing the Anabolic Diet, one of several cyclical ketogenic diets that bodybuilders have used for decades to lose fat. Testing positive for ketones is irrelevant to anything except being able to say "I'm in ketosis." In addition, the longer you do a keto diet, the quicker you get back into ketosis (you test positive for ketones quicker). But again, testing positive on a keto strip doesn't mean anything meaningful, unless you're epileptic, so who cares.
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Re: BYND

Post by sophie » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:00 am
My argument is with the 50 years of demonizing certain foods (sat fat, eggs, meat) and pushing low fat, higher in sugar and carb substitutes. I think (maybe??) we can all agree that was a mistake that has had decades-long ramifications for the health of people in this country.

Can we agree that too much sugar is bad? Forces the overproduction of insulin which makes your body want to store it as fat? And that any carb consumed eventually becomes sugar in the body? Higher carb consumption by typical sedentary Americans leads to more diabetes?

If you can agree with this, the issues I have is how on earth can this clip I show below be happening? There is a disconnect somewhere and I don't know if it is malicious or ill-informed or what.

https://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php ... diabetics/

(clip deleted - examples of hospital diabetic diets with 50-75mg carbohydrates per day including a lot of simple sugars.)
The diabetic diet examples you posted strike me as insane too!! My uncle recently went into the hospital for reasons unrelated to his diabetes, and we could not figure out why his blood glucose levels, normally perfectly stable at home, were suddenly in the 300s. Guess I now know why. I am also amazed that dietary science has lagged current research so badly, remaining focused on low fat with no real concern about sugar apart from the empty calories issue.

Agree with what you state above except for the bolded statement. It matters a lot if there is fiber present along with the carbohydrates. White rice, fruit juice, white bread, and breakfast cereals are metabolized pretty much exactly like sugar. Brown rice. whole fruits and vegetables, and high fiber breads I'd expect to metabolize slowly enough that the calories can be used to power the Kreb cycle or be stored as glycogen - assuming you don't eat a huge amount of them.

I know quite a few people in my medical field who have tried keto for weight loss, and it really does work but you have to put a lot of effort into calculating daily carbohydrates. I'm thinking of trying it for a few months myself to knock off a few unwanted pounds, but I would definitely not want to eat that way consistently. For me anyway the diet doesn't include enough fiber so a supplement is needed, and that's not optimal from my POV.

Fiber, "prebiotics", and the gut microbiome are an interesting new area that also will need to be integrated into dietary recommendations eventually.
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Re: BYND

Post by dualstow » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:38 am

You all keep faking me out. I keep getting notifications for this thread, thinking someone has something to say about BYND. Grrr
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Re: BYND

Post by pugchief » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:56 am

dualstow wrote:
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You all keep faking me out. I keep getting notifications for this thread, thinking someone has something to say about BYND. Grrr
Here you go: I had my second round of the Bburgers last weekend, and although good, I'm definitely sticking to Aldi's organic grass-fed beef burgers. From freezer to grill without thawing, cooks in minutes and delicious. Or their packaged 93/7 ground turkey also makes a tasty burger.
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Re: BYND

Post by pugchief » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:01 pm

sophie wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:26 am
I know quite a few people in my medical field who have tried keto for weight loss, and it really does work but you have to put a lot of effort into calculating daily carbohydrates. I'm thinking of trying it for a few months myself to knock off a few unwanted pounds, but I would definitely not want to eat that way consistently. For me anyway the diet doesn't include enough fiber so a supplement is needed, and that's not optimal from my POV.
I've been trying to drop 5 lbs from my middle for months. South Beach Diet, etc work for week, but too hard to stick to and the weight loss is temporary. The solution I found is playing pickleball for 2-3 hours, 4-5 days a week. I have always exercised daily, but not for that many hours. I'm sure long distance jogging would do the same. Semi-retirement is awesome!
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