Opening A Candian Bank Account as US Citizen? Possible?

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Opening A Candian Bank Account as US Citizen? Possible?

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I'm planning a short trip to Canada and wonder if it's possible to walk into a Canadian bank and open an account, with my US Passport, and only a US Address. My goal would be to keep about $1000 in there, in Canadian currency. This would provide some geographic diversification, some currency diversification, financial institution diversification, and government diversification to a small secondary emergency fund.

The theory being that if my US accounts got temporarily frozen for whatever reason, there's some chance my canadian account would be OK. Then I could use this as an ACH hub to move money between investment accounts and paying off credit card bills, while my US accounts are getting unfrozen.

Imagine there's a run on paper currency in US banks. I have my T-Bills that are safe, but no way to get them, because if I ACH them to a US bank, that bank might "steal" my money, at least in the short term, to meet their other obligations. By having a Canadian bank account, I may be able to ACH T-Bill sales into that account.

It seems like most of the situations where the Canadian bank account would be useful are fairly unlikely, however the opportunity cost of me keeping $1000 in there is virtually nothing, so if it's not a big deal to open the account, I might as well.

On a further note, if it was possible to get a safe deposit box, it would seem reasonable to keep 10% to 20% of your gold holdings in coins in the Canadian bank. We can be pretty sure Canada has good laws to protect your bank box, and it's possible to drive there. So if there's some restriction on gold ownership in the future, and we kept our gold coins offshore in a non-drivable country, then it would be hard to get them onto an airplane. Unless we're willing to drive through Mexico into Central and South America, Canada is really the only option here.

I know the US requires financial disclosure of accounts exceeding $10k internationally. That means I could keep $1000 in cash in the account, and 180 ounces of gold without having to report it. Remember, 1 ounce US Eagles are only worth $50 each as currency. :)

I imagine the answer is "no" I can't open a Canadian bank account, thanks to the US government protecting us from terrorists and imposing international financial restrictions.
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Whether the answer you get here is yes or no, why don't you just give it a try and report back with your findings and observations about the experience?
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I don't know, but you could contact a Canadian bank directly and ask them.  The first one that comes up on Google for me is RBC Royal Bank http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/ .
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I live on the Canadian border in the NE.  A 10 minute drive and I can be in Canada.  Canadian banks will open accounts for US citizens.  I have often had the same thought as you.  Instead, I have decided to further diversify by holding Canadian bullion coins as part of my PP gold assets.  I have visited coin dealers in Canada and redeemed bullion and the dealers have assured me that on any given day they would buy my Canadian bullion at spot giving me Canadian dollars.  I can then buy essentials in Canada like gas and food and bring them home.  I also keep a few hundred dollars in Canadian cash on hand.
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hogtied wrote: I live on the Canadian border in the NE.  A 10 minute drive and I can be in Canada.  Canadian banks will open accounts for US citizens.  I have often had the same thought as you.  Instead, I have decided to further diversify by holding Canadian bullion coins as part of my PP gold assets.  I have visited coin dealers in Canada and redeemed bullion and the dealers have assured me that on any given day they would buy my Canadian bullion at spot giving me Canadian dollars.  I can then buy essentials in Canada like gas and food and bring them home.  I also keep a few hundred dollars in Canadian cash on hand.
Can you tell us about the logistics involved? i.e. anything with US tax reporting? How about Canadian tax reporting? Are you using a Safe Deposit Box?

Is there anything you learned about Canadian banks that we should know when looking for one? For example, in the US, credit unions are superior to banks because of lower fees; many Americans don't even know this.

Do you recommend doing this in a border town, or driving a little further in to a major city?

Can you buy Canadian Maple coins from the bank itself, so you know they are legit?

Does Canada really print Geese on their money?  ;D
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I investigated the Canadian banks near me earlier this year.  My choice would be CIBC if it were me.  Check it out here:    https://www.cibc.com/ca/chequing-savings/index.html

I think border town or interior banks make no difference.  I wouldn't travel any further than you have to.

Years ago, I know you could buy Canadian bullion at their bank.  While I was in one of the banks I checked.  The premiums were too high though.  I now use AJPM on the net for all my bullion needs.  I bought some silver maple leafs this week from AJPM and paid a premium of just 2% over spot, very low.  Just watch for their daily web specials and act fast because their specials usually go fast.

Canadian dollar coins have a loon on them.  They are referred to as "loonies".  I also have a small collection of out of print canadian currency that I would never use but if things got bad enough I could redeem them at the same canadian coin dealers.

I have lived on the border for 60 years and have made countless trips into Canada. You won't have a problem at customs if you are honest with the customs agents.  Don't try to put anything past them.  Tell the truth and answer their questions directly.  Just tell them that you are doing some banking in their country.

I have never dealt with Canadian/US tax issues except once years ago when I owned stock in a Canadian Trust.  I worked through it at tax time without a hitch.
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I just got back from Banff a couple weeks ago and I have to say their currency is as beautiful as their Rockies.  ;D
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I now use AJPM on the net for all my bullion needs.  I bought some silver maple leafs this week from AJPM and paid a premium of just 2% over spot, very low.  Just watch for their daily web specials and act fast because their specials usually go fast.
I know this is off-topic, but have you used them for regular purchases? (non-web specials) I've had 3 good transactions with them, but I paid 4.27% over spot for krugerrands. As I write, it looks like the premium would be 3.7% ($1900 for spot price 1831.7)
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No.  I wait patiently for their web specials to appear that are aligned with my bullion needs and then I pounce. 
I also have acquired a good working relationship with the man who operates one of their stores.
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