Gold and LT bonds
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Gold and LT bonds
Can anyone think of a scenario where gold tanks and LT bonds soar? When the gold bull market comes to an end, will that also signal and end to the bond bull market....similar to how both bonds and gold got whacked in the early 80's? I can imagine a currency crisis causing bonds to tank and gold to soar....but could the reverse happen?
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Re: Gold and LT bonds
Doodle, didn't gold do badly whilst LTT did very well in Japan in the 1990s. They had a trade surplus giving a strong currency but also had a stock and property market bubble burst.
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In Japan, gold was in a long term bear market. My worry right now is that you have both LTT and Gold in huge bull markets. I wonder if the same set of issues is driving both of them higher.
I can think of a currency crisis driving gold higher and LT bonds down, but is there some scenario that would drive gold down and LTT higher?
I can think of a currency crisis driving gold higher and LT bonds down, but is there some scenario that would drive gold down and LTT higher?
All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone. - Blaise Pascal
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doodle,
This is tough... I don't think that there is a situation where this will happen. Theoretically, 2008 could have been that year, but I think 2008 showed that monetary metals are different in that because they're money, they'll respond to economic crises better.
This is tough... I don't think that there is a situation where this will happen. Theoretically, 2008 could have been that year, but I think 2008 showed that monetary metals are different in that because they're money, they'll respond to economic crises better.
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Re: Gold and LT bonds
Moda,
So you think that the LTT and Gold bull markets will end at the same time? That will most certainly result in a portfolio loss.
So you think that the LTT and Gold bull markets will end at the same time? That will most certainly result in a portfolio loss.
All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone. - Blaise Pascal
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I think that the only thing that could pull them back together would result in a roaring bull stock market, and high hopes for future growth that we are very far from at this point.
I guess, in my estimation, if a new secular bull started with low energy costs and high future growth prospects and a releveraging, you could see gold & treasuries lose 30% of their current value, but I'd be surprised if in that same period (likely a few years at least) stocks hadn't doubled, more than offsetting the the losses of the other two.
I guess, in my estimation, if a new secular bull started with low energy costs and high future growth prospects and a releveraging, you could see gold & treasuries lose 30% of their current value, but I'd be surprised if in that same period (likely a few years at least) stocks hadn't doubled, more than offsetting the the losses of the other two.
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- Thomas Paine
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Re: Gold and LT bonds
So you can see no scenario starting from our situation today where gold drops but LT continue to appreciate in price?
All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone. - Blaise Pascal
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Well, softly... maybe like some kind of long Japan-like malaise and if people decide gold isn't that great...
Gold is tough to peg, but as long as high-unemployment and negative real interest rates persist, I can't see it dropping a whole lot.
Gold is tough to peg, but as long as high-unemployment and negative real interest rates persist, I can't see it dropping a whole lot.
"Men did not make the earth. It is the value of the improvements only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property. Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds."
- Thomas Paine
- Thomas Paine