Why is Kellyanne Conway Such a Lightning Rod for Progressive Vitriol?

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Why is Kellyanne Conway Such a Lightning Rod for Progressive Vitriol?

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That's the question.
Simonjester wrote: she is a successful female who achieved something without whining about inequality and demanding the help she is entitled to inorder to overcome it, and she did so without becoming a shriveled up harpy... that is just so anti feminist... ;)
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I don't think she deserves the vitriol, but she is a bit nutty.
Ann Coulter deserves the vitriol, and maybe Ann has been out of the limelight for too long, so they moved on to the next skinny, kind of blonde Republican woman.
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Based on interactions with Real Liberals:™

* She's blonde and pretty and dresses in feminine clothing. they're weirded out by how all the public conservative women are blonde and pretty and feminine, unlike how many to most public liberal women are frumpy and wear more masculine clothing -- honest! They really don't like this! It's true!
* Her rhetorical style of unashamedly repeating known falsehoods drives them crazy
* She actively helped to elect Trump
* She's attached to Trump, in general
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Simonjester wrote: that is just so anti feminist... ;)
Hey, don't bother me none. I've always said: "The only glass ceiling I've ever encountered is the one my female coworkers built."

Re Kellyann, I was going to hypothesize that her appearance is that of a woman who's been rode hard and put away wet--not in a derogatory sense, but in the sort of endearing sense of having been through life's wringer a few times and having taken some hard knocks. She's tough, and in that sense is the antithesis of the whiny, "empower me" Left. Quite likely she could hold her own in a bar fight. Unlike the female Republican icons of the past who could have stepped right out of a 1950s Pillsbury commercial, she can't be pigeonholed and dismissed as a relic of the past. Although I can't quite put my finger on it, she has the look of an unconventional, if not downright uppity, woman who would have no compunction about following a gaggle of men right into the restroom to finish a discussion (and just might remind one of them to pull up their zipper). She should, according to every stereotype, be a liberal and could easily pass for one in the hippest of urban nightclubs. I guess that's what I'm saying: She challenges the stereotypes.
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Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway allegedly punched a man in the face at President Trump's inaugural ball

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2953968
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I got to thinking more about this. . . Liberals are very big on social signaling. Because they depend upon an ever-present choir of like-minded individuals for validation, signaling serves the necessary function of allowing instantaneous judgments to be made about a novel person entering their space. It is critical that they be able to immediately classify the newcomer as for them or against them. People who cross barriers and break conventions are not only potential heretics, they baffle the signaling apparatus and, consequently, leave liberals feeling rudderless and unsafe. It's easy to see why a woman like Kellyanne, who defies the usual stereotypes and who could very easily pass for "one of them" might very well be distressing.

That news clip about her punching some guy in the face at the inaugural ball really got me chuckling. Somehow I had missed that, but it seems very much in character.
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Anyone who punches someone in the face at a Trump Inaugural Ball is cool with me.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/kellyanne-conway-sexist-political-criticism.html wrote:What powerful political woman is mocked for her clothes, is the target of pictures on Twitter depicting her as haggard and is routinely called a witch and a bitch?

If you guessed Hillary Clinton, you’re right.

But if you guessed Kellyanne Conway, you’re right, too.

Misogyny, it seems, remains a bipartisan exercise. Whatever legitimate criticisms can be leveled at each woman, it’s striking how often that anger is expressed using the same sexist themes, from women as well as men.
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You have to admit that her "alternative facts" line is what got her into the crosshairs, and that is a pretty hard one to defend. If you're in politics you have to be super careful of everything you say...which is why I personally wouldn't want to be anywhere near it!

I'm not too surprised that the Democratic/anti-Trump critiques of her have been tinged with sexism given the general seventh-grade level of discourse lately, but it's a bit rich coming from the Party of Political Correctness.
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What I don't understand about the whole "alternative facts" thing is that, in fact, her alternative facts were correct! Why is that phrase being used as a synonym for a lie? Or am I the one who's confused?
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Pointedstick wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/kellyanne-conway-sexist-political-criticism.html wrote:What powerful political woman is mocked for her clothes, is the target of pictures on Twitter depicting her as haggard and is routinely called a witch and a bitch?

If you guessed Hillary Clinton, you’re right.

But if you guessed Kellyanne Conway, you’re right, too.

Misogyny, it seems, remains a bipartisan exercise. Whatever legitimate criticisms can be leveled at each woman, it’s striking how often that anger is expressed using the same sexist themes, from women as well as men.
True, but the comparison fails to account for the fact that with Hillary there were actual REASONS to hate her. Recently, a liberal researcher bent on proving the misogynist thesis got the novel idea of having Hillary and Trump swap sexes. Everybody STILL hated her:
In a gender-swapping experiment conducted in January by two self-identified “liberal” professors at New York University, where actors of the opposite sex played the roles of the two candidates citing lines and copying body language and intonation, the professors and their primarily liberal audience were shocked with how hard the male version of Clinton was to admire while the female Trump “shined” in moments they recalled as the real Trump “flailing or lashing out.”

“We both thought that the inversion would confirm our liberal assumption – that no one would have accepted Trump’s behavior from a woman, and that the male Clinton would seem like the much stronger candidate,” said Professor Joe Salvatore, who specializes in plays called “ethnodramas.”

“But we kept checking in with each other and realized that this disruption – a major change in perception – was happening. I had an unsettled feeling the whole way through.”

Summing up audience responses, Salvatore said he heard a lot of “now I understand how [Trump’s win] happened.”
“There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman – that was a theme. One person said, ‘I’m just so struck by how precise Trump’s technique is.’
“Another – a musical theater composer, actually – said that Trump created ‘hummable lyrics,’ while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no ‘hook’ to it. … And a lot of people were just very surprised by the way it upended their expectations about what they thought they would feel or experience.”
http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/poll-hillary ... y-contest/
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