When the cops are the criminals

[dualstow]

Fla. police shoot black man with his hands up as he tries to help autistic patient

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c-patient/

Heroes, my ass. I hope these pigs fry. They are a threat to public safety.

I was reading about the same. This one is really, really bad.

[DragonJoey3]

Fla. police shoot black man with his hands up as he tries to help autistic patient

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c-patient/

Heroes, my ass. I hope these pigs fry. They are a threat to public safety.

I particularly liked the part in the CNN article on this where the doctor asks the cop why he shot him to which the cop responds "I don't know."

Some people just don't deserve to wear the badge.

[Reub]

Could it be because you a__holes have created a hostile environment for them to work in? One where they are being killed and fear for their lives?

All of this fanfair and yet thousands more blacks are being killed in their own neighborhoods by other blacks. Not a peep. Hypocrites!

[DragonJoey3]

Could it be because you a__holes have created a hostile environment for them to work in? One where they are being killed and fear for their lives?

All of this fanfair and yet thousands more blacks are being killed in their own neighborhoods by other blacks. Not a peep. Hypocrites!

In many ways this is a viscous cycle. The police are so scared they shoot at boogie men that aren't dangerous in the least. The public is so furious/scared they don't know how to react when approached by police. And the evil of this world is emboldened to take action and actually kill public defenders.

A cops job is always a hostile environment, period. Cops don't get called to an address because someone stubbed a toe, or needs help getting up. They are called because criminals are committing crimes, people are being killed, acts of violence are being perpetrated. They train to deal with that, and they should train, and they should also understand that they are held to a darn high standard!

As a cop your taught to always approach a situation as though everyone involved is armed (cause they could be). But even still you better have a darn good reason when you pull that trigger because someone's life might just end. When an unarmed civilian begging for the police to show restraint is laying on the ground with his hands in the air you shouldn't even have your weapon drawn! I expect better of my police, not because they are aren't human, but because we train them day in and day out to understand the difference between a life and death situation, and one that isn't. They carry a gun openly where most of us can't even carry one (at least in my state). They wield the power of life and death on their hip, and that requires a heck of a justification to pull it out, and even more of a justification to use it.

This thread isn't just about cops shooting other people though. What about the police officers in NH who decided that after a suspect surrendered and was handcuffed on the ground they would just beat on him for a while? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2717576 What about the policemen who decide that someone filming them in public is a crime worthy of pulling their weapon? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... lming-him/

It's easy to be on the side of the police until you make one mad. Until the one dealing with you has a bad day. Then they make a mistake. If you're lucky you just end up with a broken/confiscated iphone, or some bruising. If your unlucky you end up in prison for a few hours then released without charge, if your really unlucky you end up dead.

Police wield the power of the state, they are an instrument of justice and I'm darn glad they exist. It is a thin blue line between the order we enjoy and chaos. But that line needs to stay in line, and there should be VERY SWIFT AND STRONG retribution when they step out of line. Police are not above the law and it's up to the citizenry to remind them of that. If I make a mistake at my job, I get a reprimand, maybe if it's a really bad one I'm fired. If an officer makes a mistake, someone gets hurt, if it's a really bad one someone gets killed.

People can understand if a cop honestly felt threatened by someone, but police need to cut beyond the paranoia and understand that of the 300+ million people in this country, only around 1-2% of them would ever even try to kill someone (let alone a cop). The rest of us are just praying we can make it through any encounter we have with a police officer with our freedom, collerbone, and life still intact. That's not how it should be. I shouldn't see a cop and think "Jeeze, I hope I don't make him angry."

Lately when I encounter police I still feel pride in what they do, but I also have a small nagging voice of fear in the back of my head. "What if he thinks I'm up to something when I'm not?" "What would happen if he decides to detain me without cause and I tick him off accidentally?" "What would happen if he misinterprets me pulling out my wallet to pay for my happy meal, as me pulling out a weapon?"

I'm tired of police officers having to wield M16 assault rifles, and full body armor just to pull over grandma. The world is rife with fear, and that fear isn't helping anything. It's not helping the police do their job without over-reacting, and it's not helping the citizenry feel friendly to the man in the blue suit and badge. When I saw a cop I used to look at their badge and feel pride. Lately, I look at their gun and feel fear. This is not the way it was meant to be.

[Reub]

And yet this is how it is in Obama's America.

[MachineGhost]

Could it be because you a__holes have created a hostile environment for them to work in? One where they are being killed and fear for their lives?

All of this fanfair and yet thousands more blacks are being killed in their own neighborhoods by other blacks. Not a peep. Hypocrites!

We can't do anything about blacks killing other blacks in ghettos short of drug decriminalization (which I know Republicans don't support, hypocritically), but we sure as the sun shines every morning in the East can do something about pig cops. If cops didn't abuse their protect and serve imperative, I wouldn't have to label them pigs. They did that first before the hostile environment came around. Karma's a bitch...

Do you really want to be known as an apologist for these Type A, short tempered, violent pigs? I don't care if they're white cops or black gangbangers -- they're both a threat to public safety.

[MachineGhost]

And yet this is how it is in Obama's America.

And yet its going to be even worse under Trump's because he's an apologist for the pigs. There's a crony monopoly of "protect our own" from any ultimate responsibility to the civilians they're supposed to be protecting. Trump has given no indication he's going to correct this blight of injustice over the homeland.

[Reub]

Drug kingpins don't like cops? Who knew??

[Mountaineer]

https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexJonesCh ... =2&theater

**THIS VIDEO WILL HELP END THE BLM MOVEMENT IF IT GOES VIRAL!!

A white woman stopped a black man outside a grocery store in Tucson, Arizona. She tried to apologize for the "police murdering black folk all over America." She had no idea WHO she was talking to. What she learned should be shared across America.

... Mountaineer

[MachineGhost]

So who was she talking to?

And its from Alex Jones. Need I say more? That guy is batshit crazy.

[dualstow]

He really is.

[MachineGhost]

Wow, I just stumbled upon this huge travesty of injustice done to a 32-year old (he has life in prison without any possibility of parole):

His lawyers submitted an appeal on 12 January 2016, centered on claims that the prosecution illegally withheld evidence of DEA agents’ malfeasance in the investigation of Silk Road. The two DEA agents (Carl Force and Shaun Bridges) pleaded guilty and are now in prison.

This is not only an appeal to free Ross or reduce his sentence, but to reverse the troubling precedents set in this case dealing with Internet freedom.

At the end of his sentence Ross wrote a letter to the judge saying the following:

“When I created Silk Road I wasn’t seeking financial gain, I created Silk Road because … I believed at the time that people should have the right to buy and sell whatever they wanted so long as they weren’t hurting anyone else.

Silk Road was supposed to be about giving people the freedom to make their own choices, to pursue their own happiness…While I still don’t think people should be denied this right, I never sought to create a site that would provide another avenue for people to feed their addictions….

Even now I understand what a terrible mistake I made…I’ve had my youth, and I know you must take away my middle years, but please leave me my old age. Please leave me a small light at the end of the tunnel, an excuse to stay healthy, an excuse to dream of better days ahead, and a chance to redeem myself in the free world before I meet my maker.”

Full Scoop: https://freeross.org/the-case-text/

[Kriegsspiel]

I think they also could have gotten him on murder-for-hire charges.

[MachineGhost]

I think they also could have gotten him on murder-for-hire charges.

That was prohbited on the site along with child pornography and something else I forget (weapons???).

[dualstow]

(MG) That was prohbited on the site along with child pornography and something else I forget (weapons???).

Silk Road, that's the Dread Pirate Roberts guy, and I remember that well.
Dude, that site was *only* used for murder-for-hire, heroin & other drugs, and weapons. It may have been prohibited in name, but...it just wasn't.

P.S. http://www.gyroscopicinvesting.com/foru ... oad#p39483

[dualstow]

P.P.S It's funny how closely Ulbricht's ("Roberts'") bio reads like a real life description of Gale from 'Breaking Bad'.

Ross Ulbricht

and engineering and studied crystallography. By the time Ulbricht graduated he had lost interest in his major and was interested in libertarian economic theory. In particular, Ulbricht adhered to the political philosophy of Ludwig von Mises and supported Ron Paul,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht

Don't read if you still haven't watched the show and plan to.
http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher

[Xan]

Ulbrict went to my high school, just a couple years behind me. I didn't know him, but I know people who know him. It's weird to think about somebody who could easily have been me being sentenced to life in prison.

[MachineGhost]

Dude, that site was *only* used for murder-for-hire, heroin & other drugs, and weapons. It may have been prohibited in name, but...it just wasn't.

Do you have a source for that? I want to read some actual evidence not trumped up charges by a careerist prosecutor. I already see hints of misconduct just by reading about the case superficially.

It seems pretty clear to me hes being made an example of as a libertarian political prisoner. I could go out and terminate Reub tomorrow and get 20 years, maybe 10 years off for good behavior if parole was restored. It's such B.S..

[dualstow]

No, I have only a record of the charges which you want to believe were trumped up.

[Kriegsspiel]

I meant that Ulbricht allegedly put hits out on several people on the site. I couldn't find the original article that I read about it, but here you go:

In February, Ulbricht was convicted of being the Dread Pirate Roberts, Silk Road’s creator and owner. But the recorded conversations, along with the other sealed documents, had been kept secret throughout Ulbricht’s trial earlier this year to avoid compromising an investigation that led to the arrest Monday of two federal agents on corruption charges.

In the 21-page IM chat log, which occurred over the anonymous IM service Torchat, the Silk Road’s Dread Pirate Roberts carries out conversations with his staffer Inigo, a supposed drug-dealing associate named Nob (who we now know was actually undercover DEA agent Carl Force), and a figure named Cimon, also known as Variety Jones, whom Ulbricht had described in his journal as his “mentor” and advisor. The conversations revolve around $350,000 worth of bitcoin that had been stolen from the Silk Road, which Dread Pirate Roberts and Inigo believed had been taken by Silk Road staffer Curtis Clark Green. (In fact, it seems the bitcoins had been allegedly stolen by rogue Secret Service agent Shaun Bridges, using Green’s account—one of the criminal charges for which Bridges was arrested Monday.)

... That initial step into the use of violence to protect his interests and the Silk Road would eventually lead Roberts to pay for five more murders.

It is the "when cops are criminals" thread, right?

[Reub]

Dude, that site was *only* used for murder-for-hire, heroin & other drugs, and weapons. It may have been prohibited in name, but...it just wasn't.

Do you have a source for that? I want to read some actual evidence not trumped up charges by a careerist prosecutor. I already see hints of misconduct just by reading about the case superficially.

It seems pretty clear to me hes being made an example of as a libertarian political prisoner. I could go out and terminate Reub tomorrow and get 20 years, maybe 10 years off for good behavior if parole was restored. It's such B.S..

In the same manner that you've already "terminated" your own ability for rational thought?

[MachineGhost]

In the same manner that you've already "terminated" your own ability for rational thought?

Being intiially skeptical isn't "terminating" rational thought. Prosecutors commonly make up charges without having to provide any factual proof and due to reflexive judicial deferrance, judges/courts do not have to question it. It's the crony "protect our own" club.

Anyway, I'm superficlally satisfied for now there is substance to the allegations. I would remand this for clemency in some distant future after a suitable period of time comparable to actual murder (say, 20 years). But one can hope we can also bring back parole which hasn't been allowed since 1987.

[MachineGhost]

It is the "when cops are criminals" thread, right?

The DEA is considered law enforcement aka cops.

[Kriegsspiel]

Yes. Secret Service too.

[Kriegsspiel]

Fla. police shoot black man with his hands up as he tries to help autistic patient

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c-patient/

Heroes, my ass. I hope these pigs fry. They are a threat to public safety.

I particularly liked the part in the CNN article on this where the doctor asks the cop why he shot him to which the cop responds "I don't know."

Some people just don't deserve to wear the badge.

Now he's saying he was aiming at the guy with autism, in order to "save" the black guy.

Fearing for Mr. Kinsey's life, the officer discharged his firearm, trying to save Mr. Kinsey's life," says John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "And he missed, and accidentally struck Mr. Kinsey.""

Well of course, THAT'S why he said "I don't know."

And stopped shooting.

Then handcuffed the guy he shot, accidentally, and left him there for 20 minutes.

He added, "This is not a case of a rogue cop; this is not a case of police abuse."

You know, it could be that he's right. It could have simply been gross incompetence. Reub? Agreed?