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Fred wrote: It was also unique to Caucasians which is one fact about the study nobody seems to want to take a crack at.
I am unable to speak at large having left high school in the early nineties, but defamation against white Americans was very palpable even then in education.  I recall every facet of Western Civilization being depicted as a litany of crimes against various angelic out-groups.  The blood libel was almost hysterical in its one-sidedness.

The experience left me with reactionary tendencies in the years following high school which only slowly gave way to balance.  The "bright" students, however, seemed eager to lap up the dish before them, happily parroting the textbook abuse against their fathers and nation.  I doubt their "education" helped the peace of mind of theirs, or, preceding generations ...those the study identify as prone to early death.
This reminded me of the elephant in the room that I have gotten so used to being there that I don't really think about it much anymore.

It's the persistent and pervasive anti-white male messaging that has been saturating our culture for about 20 years now.

It may be that white men with less education have fewer mental tools to insulate themselves from the relentless ridicule that their group has been subjected to in countless small and subtle ways, often for their entire adult lives.

Consider this: At least 50% of all of the television advertising that we see features storylines involving bumbling and hapless white males being rescued by some combination of a capable female (usually the wife) and the product itself.

What may be happening is that these white males at the lower end of the income and education spectrum may be finding their sense of self-worth being eroded through a combination of: (1) reduced earning capacity (due to automation and offshoring) and (2) all of these subtle cultural cues telling them they are stupid and worthless.  As they begin to internalize this new diminished place for themselves in society, it puts them at greater risk for all sorts of hopelessness-related maladies.

Once the men in the group we are discussing have been psychologically and culturally neutered, the women in their lives may find that these men are no longer capable of providing the psychological and emotional support that men in society have traditionally provided to women.  The removal of this support function of men from the lives of women in this low education/low income group creates a sense of chronic uneasiness in women that manifests in the form of hopelessness-related maladies.

The process I am describing above may not be visible at higher levels of income and education because men in these groups are able to insulate themselves from threats to their self-worth because they still hold actual positions of power (they know they're not powerless if they exercise power every day), and they have durable economic opportunities because of their education levels.  Meanwhile, their brothers who are lower on the totem pole must endure the ravages of being on the wrong end of long-term economic trends, while being subjected to reverse racism and a malignant form of feminism that attacks them through their television every time they turn it on.
That could very well be a significant factor. I've been wondering when the misandry bubble will burst, but so far it is expanding at a pretty fast clip.
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Libertarian666 wrote: That could very well be a significant factor. I've been wondering when the misandry bubble will burst, but so far it is expanding at a pretty fast clip.
As I was writing that it hit me that we now have a whole generation of young adults who don't remember what it was like before the current climate took hold sometime in the 1990s.  For young men in this group, they grew up watching television commercials that frequently depicted white men in positions of weakness and powerlessness, and made it clear that ridiculing members of this group was socially acceptable, while other advertising messages made it clear that ridiculing women and minorities was strictly off limits.

What I am talking about is not necessarily related to the reality of life in the U.S., where white males still enjoy many benefits, but more about the inner space that shapes men's perception of themselves and their roles in society, starting at a young age.

I think that one characteristic of an uneducated mind is often that it is a bit more childlike than the person's age might suggest.  There are probably millions of men in this country who are good people, but because they are of low intelligence they are especially susceptible to the subtle conditioning that advertising seeks to achieve in those who are exposed to it, and if you show such people snippets of men who are incapable of opening a refrigerator door, incapable of reading a clock, incapable of turning on a computer, etc. enough times, I believe that their minds start perceiving it as having some truth to it.
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MediumTex wrote: It may be that white men with less education have fewer mental tools to insulate themselves from the relentless ridicule that their group has been subjected to in countless small and subtle ways, often for their entire adult lives.
Which brings me back to the original subject: First they came for the working class....

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Libertarian666 wrote: That could very well be a significant factor. I've been wondering when the misandry bubble will burst, but so far it is expanding at a pretty fast clip.
As I was writing that it hit me that we now have a whole generation of young adults who don't remember what it was like before the current climate took hold sometime in the 1990s.  For young men in this group, they grew up watching television commercials that frequently depicted white men in positions of weakness and powerlessness, and made it clear that ridiculing members of this group was socially acceptable, while other advertising messages made it clear that ridiculing women and minorities was strictly off limits.
Yep, I would be one of those people. Discovering the backlash to this, primarily online, has felt liberating, and I can tell from the attitudes that a lot of other white male millennials express in these circles that they feel the same thing. However, the anti-white-male cultural forces are now firmly entrenched online, too. Especially in social media, which is becoming completely toxic. Every time I log onto Facebook I'm presented with a variety of propaganda pieces shared by my liberal friends and family members describing how white men should stop talking and acting and been involved in community and political life because everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors--except those who join this movement, as long as they acknowledge that they are second-class citizens and can only play a subordinate, supporting role.

I try to ignore them, but man… the toxicity.

What was the cultural zeitgeist like before this?
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Libertarian666 wrote: That could very well be a significant factor. I've been wondering when the misandry bubble will burst, but so far it is expanding at a pretty fast clip.
As I was writing that it hit me that we now have a whole generation of young adults who don't remember what it was like before the current climate took hold sometime in the 1990s.  For young men in this group, they grew up watching television commercials that frequently depicted white men in positions of weakness and powerlessness, and made it clear that ridiculing members of this group was socially acceptable, while other advertising messages made it clear that ridiculing women and minorities was strictly off limits.
Yep, I would be one of those people. Discovering the backlash to this, primarily online, has felt liberating, and I can tell from the attitudes that a lot of other white male millennials express in these circles that they feel the same thing. However, the anti-white-male cultural forces are now firmly entrenched online, too. Especially in social media, which is becoming completely toxic. Every time I log onto Facebook I'm presented with a variety of propaganda pieces shared by my liberal friends and family members describing how white men should stop talking and acting and been involved in community and political life because everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors--except those who join this movement, as long as they acknowledge that they are second-class citizens and can only play a subordinate, supporting role.

I try to ignore them, but man… the toxicity.

What was the cultural zeitgeist like before this?
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What is weird about this cultural shift is that it is confined very narrowly, to schools, universities, and the mass media. Outside of these fields, you find widespread ignorance of it and resentment against it, including among women.
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You guys definitely have a legitimate basis for complaint here.  However I don't think it has anything to do with the mortality statistics.  Consider two things:

First, women at least still get plenty of disrespect.  The "old boy" exclusionary culture is alive and well in many places, my workplace among them.  In a way, what you've been experiencing is what everyone else has been putting up with for far longer than 20 years.  I personally don't think ANYONE should be getting this sort of treatment, but unfortunately that's how our society seems to work.

Second, the culture you're describing is not unique to the U.S., unlike the mortality statistic.  Also, if anti-white male messaging were actually contributing to mortality, then you would expect to see an even bigger gender difference in mortality before, say, the 1960s - because women at that time were getting it FAR worse than men are currently.  Just watch old TV shows where there is no shortage of examples.
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WiseOne wrote: You guys definitely have a legitimate basis for complaint here.  However I don't think it has anything to do with the mortality statistics.  Consider two things:

First, women at least still get plenty of disrespect.  The "old boy" exclusionary culture is alive and well in many places, my workplace among them.  In a way, what you've been experiencing is what everyone else has been putting up with for far longer than 20 years.  I personally don't think ANYONE should be getting this sort of treatment, but unfortunately that's how our society seems to work.
You are undoubtedly correct, however I just want to point out that if this were Facebook or something and our genders were reversed, what you just said ("We have it bad too!") would leave you open to accusations of condescension and minimizing the struggles of other people. You can't even try to join the conversation without getting accused of some thoughtcrime or other. The censorious tendencies of this movement are what perturb me the most. Thankfully it seems to be on the verge of tearing itself apart because apparently every marginalized group believes that everyone else (including other marginalized group) needs to be silenced from time to time.
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While I definitely see an anti-white male element to society, and that this element owns a certain amount of our "pop culture," I don't see it as over-riding.  By this I mean that while it is a trend/direction we are moving, it is by no means omnipresent in our lives.  There is still a ton of both what I might consider "good masculinity," (which still-today is going to serve you extremely well in the social and real economy), and "bad masculinity," which is just your typical ugly underbelly of "the patriarchy," and it's just simply less popular and acceptable than it used to be, but it's still abundantly present.

And let's be honest, radical feminism, while it might sometimes FEEL like the norm, is extremely unpopular with the vast majority of men, and even rubs a lot of women wrong.  So to say that chauvinist men  are actually, in the REAL world, at some sort of cultural fringe being pushed out by radical feminism that is the "new norm" is a bit much.  It may be the norm in the women's studies department at a college.  Not-so in most real-world settings.

I am from a pretty liberal part of a pretty liberal state, and I'd feel far more comfortable displaying traditional masculine traits (toughness, independence, sarcasm towards feminism, a NON-victim mentality, "man-to-man" equality to anyone of any race).

Simply put, once you get outside Hollywoodized commercials, certain elements of the media, your feminist friends on FB, and a lefty college course, you enter the REAL culture.  And I can't speak to every corner of the U.S., but in mine (which is mid-west but very liberal), you are far better off being a guy's guy.  That doesn't mean being an a-hole, or that the emotional gay friend you have won't be accepted.  But being stoic and resourceful will get you a lot further socially than being a victim/complainer/etc.  Also, all things being equal, still today, a white guy is going to be given more ACTUAL economic clout than a black guy. I know a couple business owners who have openly stated they will not hire a black guy.  This is the REAL world.  Not some college classroom, FB wall or commercial. Guys still actually talk about how crazy women are and that they can't handle emotions. It just doesn't happen in certain arenas.  But it has an effect on how our REAL economy and social economy work out.

I really think we're coming to a point where in spite of radical feminism, we can talk about this stuff (in the REAL world (dinner table, church, bs'ing with a coworker), not on MSNBC or in a Berkley women's studies classroom) to the point of finding the best aspects of our masculinity and culture and getting rid of the garbage (and let's admit it... masculinity, as it has actually manifested in various cultures world-wide, comes with LOTS of garbage).  Personally, I think it's a great time to be a man with all the resources at my disposal (should I choose to take advantage of them) to maximize that balance.  How do we become independent, resourceful, powerful, healthy, stable individuals without being a bunch of racist, sexist warmongers?  I think the answer is far easier to find today than at any point in our history.  As men, if we're going to act like we are victims of some commercial or some feminist friend on FB, we've already submitted at least partially to the very victimhood that we accuse our opposition of, and we completely ignore all of the resources we have today to become better men that many have lacked throughout history.

I really think that "purifying" masculinity into a better state and getting rid of some of its dark underbelly is for the best, and we have the ability to do that and excel incredibly well as a magnetic person in today's social economy (as far as I can tell).
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Pointedstick wrote: Every time I log onto Facebook I'm presented with a variety of propaganda pieces shared by my liberal friends and family members describing how white men should stop talking and acting and been involved in community and political life because everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors...
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And as if that isn't bad enough, I'm originally from Vermont so when you add in all the Bernie Sanders propaganda and the insufferable New England Patriots fans, Facebook is truly unbearable!
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Pointedstick wrote: Every time I log onto Facebook I'm presented with a variety of propaganda pieces shared by my liberal friends and family members describing how white men should stop talking and acting and been involved in community and political life because everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors...
+1

And as if that isn't bad enough, I'm originally from Vermont so when you add in all the Bernie Sanders propaganda and the insufferable New England Patriots fans, Facebook is truly unbearable!
I'm no stranger to feminazi propaganda.  But can you clarify something for me...

There are actually people of a sizable count (not just some fringe feminist) that posting things that actually assert that "white men should stop talking and acting and being involved in community and political life," or that "everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors?"

This sounds like standard hyperbole to me.  Or that it would apply to only a small, radical fringe. If one of you could flesh this out a bit further for me, it'd be much appreciated.  If this is exaggeration, no biggie... I exaggerate a lot for dramatic effect.  I am just curious what kind of posts are receiving this type of critique.

Personally, I see all sorts of articles and opinions, good and bad, statist and libertarian, liberal and conservative.  There's no visible mono-culture to me, much less one that is anywhere near as fringe feminazi liberal as the one you guys appear to be describing.
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I'll acknowledge some hyperbole.  But it doesn't mean the undercurrent isn't there.

Just a couple of weeks ago when that (white male) school cop took down that (black female) student in a classroom, one person's response was "WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHITE MALE ANGER IN THIS COUNTRY!!??"

Seriously like, WTF?  Have a conversation about cops, or students, or the combination of them in schools, but "white male anger"?  That one was worth a LOL.

Not to mention the remarks you see when a white male (especially older) is appointed or elected to a position of power or influence.  Or the reminders to "check your privilege" anytime someone has a beef about something (not me, because I don't post that stuff).

Personally I just roll my eyes and scroll on, but it does get tiring.  If I did a serious analysis I'm sure I would find that it's a small number of people that create an inordinate number of posts.

But my comments about Bernie and the Patriots are absolutely 100% true!  :)
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Well to the degree police abuse isn't just about police power but tribalist biases I think it's worth talking about.  This doesn't just exist in some vacuum of incidental police abuse.  There is a racial/tribal bias that's making it worse for some.  However, I think if I found myself in a discussion with the person that posted that I'd be in some large disagreement with them in some areas. 

But those posts aside... for every anti-white-guy or "check your privilege" post, I see some ridiculous war-monger or Bible-thumper posting some ridiculous stuff as well.  There's plenty of scorn out there for single moms, minorities, feminists, foreigners, muslims, atheists and non-Patriots.  All based in ridiculous arguments with a token amount of sound analysis to make it seem intellectual.  These are not always super-fringe opinions.  These are ideologies that a very sizable chunk of the rightest part of our country are pretty well steeped in.  That doesn't mean they're inherently worse than the feministy stuff, just that they're equally if-not more prevalent in terms of population, and therefore this idea that there's this monolithic cultural liberalism affecting just a bunch of hard-working moderates is a bit of a myth.
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What about the bit about how when a man speaks up in a group, he's assertive, while when a woman speaks up, she's being bitchy?  I've been so labeled for speaking up when a guy said something stupid & misleading. 

Specific example.  At a meeting just 2 days ago talking about a proposed grant submission for a study of normal cognition in a population of patients with a neurological disorder (taking advantage of a clinical diagnostic procedure), I stated (based on both personal experience and a very substantial body of literature) that the patients are brain injured and cognitively impaired in precisely the area that is proposed for study.  One of the neuroscientists, who knows nothing about the disorder in question, tried to tell me I was wrong and that the patients are cognitively the equivalent of college students.  I held my ground, mainly because it's actually critically important to address in the grant and the request for proposals all but said that you have to acknowledge it in the writeup, but eventually let the topic pass.  I got a lecture afterward from the guy who called the meeting along the lines of "we all have to work together".  I will bet you just about anything that a man saying the exact same thing would not have been shouted down like that.

So it really does go both ways.  And PS, if the roles were reversed it's unlikely I'd have said exactly what I did in my last post.  And I would have far preferred to have been treated like an equal so I wouldn't have to be still fuming about the situation.  I couldn't care less about the radical feminist take - I just want to not have to deal with crap like this!
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flyingpylon wrote: Just a couple of weeks ago when that (white male) school cop took down that (black female) student in a classroom, one person's response was "WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHITE MALE ANGER IN THIS COUNTRY!!??"

Seriously like, WTF?  Have a conversation about cops, or students, or the combination of them in schools, but "white male anger"?  That one was worth a LOL.

But my comments about Bernie and the Patriots are absolutely 100% true!  :)
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WiseOne wrote: What about the bit about how when a man speaks up in a group, he's assertive, while when a woman speaks up, she's being bitchy?  I've been so labeled for speaking up when a guy said something stupid & misleading. 

Specific example.  At a meeting just 2 days ago talking about a proposed grant submission for a study of normal cognition in a population of patients with a neurological disorder (taking advantage of a clinical diagnostic procedure), I stated (based on both personal experience and a very substantial body of literature) that the patients are brain injured and cognitively impaired in precisely the area that is proposed for study.  One of the neuroscientists, who knows nothing about the disorder in question, tried to tell me I was wrong and that the patients are cognitively the equivalent of college students.  I held my ground, mainly because it's actually critically important to address in the grant and the request for proposals all but said that you have to acknowledge it in the writeup, but eventually let the topic pass.  I got a lecture afterward from the guy who called the meeting along the lines of "we all have to work together".  I will bet you just about anything that a man saying the exact same thing would not have been shouted down like that.

So it really does go both ways.  And PS, if the roles were reversed it's unlikely I'd have said exactly what I did in my last post.  And I would have far preferred to have been treated like an equal so I wouldn't have to be still fuming about the situation.  I couldn't care less about the radical feminist take - I just want to not have to deal with crap like this!
Isaw this quite a bit in my dealings as well. I first had to work against my own biases and then work against other's biases so i could get what i was paying for: the participation and ideas from everyone and not just the males of the group. I observed that often women wouldn't participate actively precisely because if they did they would be shut down or ignored by the men.

I would offer one suggestion to you. In the second line of your post you say you were labeled as bitchy for speaking up when a guy said something stupid and misleading. When you identify someone as stupid and misleading rather than incorrect or misinformed, even if only in your mind, it will come across in your communications. I have no doubt you are correct when you say a man in the same situation would not be challenged.  Unfortunately as a woman in a gender biased society, you will have that burden.  If you want to be right, more power to you.  If you want to be heard it may require adaptation, even though it shouldn't need to.
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moda0306 wrote:There are actually people of a sizable count (not just some fringe feminist) that posting things that actually assert that "white men should stop talking and acting and being involved in community and political life," or that "everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors?"

This sounds like standard hyperbole to me.  Or that it would apply to only a small, radical fringe. If one of you could flesh this out a bit further for me, it'd be much appreciated.  If this is exaggeration, no biggie... I exaggerate a lot for dramatic effect.  I am just curious what kind of posts are receiving this type of critique.
Well this got a lot of play just recently:
Claire McCaskill Kindly Encourages Men To 'Shut The Hell Up'
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moda0306 wrote:There are actually people of a sizable count (not just some fringe feminist) that posting things that actually assert that "white men should stop talking and acting and being involved in community and political life," or that "everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors?"

This sounds like standard hyperbole to me.  Or that it would apply to only a small, radical fringe. If one of you could flesh this out a bit further for me, it'd be much appreciated.  If this is exaggeration, no biggie... I exaggerate a lot for dramatic effect.  I am just curious what kind of posts are receiving this type of critique.
Well this got a lot of play just recently:
Claire McCaskill Kindly Encourages Men To 'Shut The Hell Up'
Oh yeah, that's a great one. Not even some Jezebel nobody; a U.S. Senator. And liberals are applauding it! Can you imagine the month-long shitstorm that would result if a Republican senator shot a video in which he said that sometimes women needed to shut the hell up? It would be the end of his career, and rightly so, but for a Democratic woman? No, she's "punching up" (somehow) and telling it like it is by shutting down "mansplaining." :P (I want to kill myself for writing that word)
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Xan wrote:
moda0306 wrote:There are actually people of a sizable count (not just some fringe feminist) that posting things that actually assert that "white men should stop talking and acting and being involved in community and political life," or that "everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors?"

This sounds like standard hyperbole to me.  Or that it would apply to only a small, radical fringe. If one of you could flesh this out a bit further for me, it'd be much appreciated.  If this is exaggeration, no biggie... I exaggerate a lot for dramatic effect.  I am just curious what kind of posts are receiving this type of critique.
Well this got a lot of play just recently:
Claire McCaskill Kindly Encourages Men To 'Shut The Hell Up'
Oh yeah, that's a great one. Not even some Jezebel nobody; a U.S. Senator. And liberals are applauding it! Can you imagine the month-long shitstorm that would result if a Republican senator shot a video in which he said that sometimes women needed to shut the hell up? It would be the end of his career, and rightly so, but for a Democratic woman? No, she's "punching up" (somehow) and telling it like it is by shutting down "mansplaining." :P (I want to kill myself for writing that word)
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Xan wrote:
moda0306 wrote:There are actually people of a sizable count (not just some fringe feminist) that posting things that actually assert that "white men should stop talking and acting and being involved in community and political life," or that "everything is our fault and we are a bunch of fearful racist boors?"

This sounds like standard hyperbole to me.  Or that it would apply to only a small, radical fringe. If one of you could flesh this out a bit further for me, it'd be much appreciated.  If this is exaggeration, no biggie... I exaggerate a lot for dramatic effect.  I am just curious what kind of posts are receiving this type of critique.
Well this got a lot of play just recently:
Claire McCaskill Kindly Encourages Men To 'Shut The Hell Up'
Oh yeah, that's a great one. Not even some Jezebel nobody; a U.S. Senator. And liberals are applauding it! Can you imagine the month-long shitstorm that would result if a Republican senator shot a video in which he said that sometimes women needed to shut the hell up? It would be the end of his career, and rightly so, but for a Democratic woman? No, she's "punching up" (somehow) and telling it like it is by shutting down "mansplaining." :P (I want to kill myself for writing that word)
What liberals are applauding it?  Jezebel nobodies?  I asked my feminist friend what she thought of it and she said not funny and somewhat offensive.

I agree and then some. That shithead should get voted out. And of course we won't see a response from certain Facebook boobs or The View.

I'd be surprised if more than the left-most 25% of this country think this is amusing and/or appropriate. Perhaps I'm out of touch. I'd prefer to see that number be far less. But I'd put the same critique on some of the hypocritical opinions of the right-most 25% of the country.

As disgusted as I am with her, I don't see this as a monolithic cultural trend. Just a disturbing double standard accepted by too many naive liberals.
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As an awful but best-I-can-do way of doing a poll, when viewing that McCaskill video on YouTube, I noticed that it had 2k upvotes and 8k downvotes.  That isn't too terribly far off from my "25%" guesstimate on who would support that.  In fact it's a modest amount lower.

Very, very few men like this sort of $hit.  Most hate it.  That leaves women left over.  I'd imagine only the worst breed of leftist women would support this crap.

Like I said... extremely annoying, but not monolithic cultural trends, IMO.
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I agree that the video is awful. So where's the outrage? Where is the incessant, 24/7 media coverage of it the way they covered Todd Aikin? Where are the public voices within the Democratic party rushing to condemn and distance themselves from McCaskill? Where is the awkward forced apology? The resignation in disgrace? Etc. Like you said, it's a huge double standard.

It's such an odd phenomenon that a small minority is able to dominate the discourse like this. As you said, it would be surprising if 25% of people believed this stuff. Probably much less. And yet these behaviors largely gets a free pass, culturally. They're not challenged or condemned by any mainstream voices. They're not an instant career enders. The small minority is somehow able to protect themselves from accountability when they behave like this. By contrast, all of that applies instead of behaviors that the majority (on both the right and the left) tend to engage in: semi-private mild nationalism, racism, and sexism, which nowadays can be career ending as hordes of internet trolls and journalists will descend upon you like a herd of hungry jackals. It is one of the things fueling the rise of Donald Trump and his ilk. You cannot long oppress the majority and their culture.
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Greg wrote:
flyingpylon wrote: Just a couple of weeks ago when that (white male) school cop took down that (black female) student in a classroom, one person's response was "WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHITE MALE ANGER IN THIS COUNTRY!!??"

Seriously like, WTF?  Have a conversation about cops, or students, or the combination of them in schools, but "white male anger"?  That one was worth a LOL.

But my comments about Bernie and the Patriots are absolutely 100% true!  :)
I will say though that I think MediumTex is a worthless person due to him being a Dallas Cowboys fan. ;)
So that was you.  Hmm.

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I really appreciate WiseOne's contributions to the discussion. 

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting that white men don't still have it really good here; rather, what I am suggesting is that ridicule of a group or individual can have cumulative effects, and a message that seems harmless when delivered a few times may be very toxic when delivered continuously for years.

While we're on the subject of gender stereotypes, why is it funny when a man is kicked in the testicles?  That always seems to be depicted in movies and TV as a light and funny thing, but it's not a funny thing at all.  I really don't get that one.  Is it just another way to playfully depict the emasculation of men?  Would anyone think it was funny to see a woman kicked in the vagina and watch her double over in agony as people laugh?
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