Woman Beheaded In Moore Ok By Radical Islamist

[Reub]

Evidently the radical Islamist tried to get his coworkers to convert, was fired, and came back to behead the woman.

Still worried about crooked cops?

The man who shot and wounded him was an off duty deputy sheriff,  saving another woman from being decapitated.

[Pointedstick]

If someone trying to slit my throat, I can legally fight back using lethal force. If a cop is oppressing or trying to murder me, I can't. It's an agency thing.

Also, am I the only one who's getting tired of the term "beheading" getting overloaded to include "throat-slitting?" To me, a beheading requires that the head is separated from the body. You can't do that with a knife.

[Pointedstick]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fired-oklahoma ... d=25780332

"Police confirmed Nolen severed Hufford's head and then began stabbing Traci Johnson, 43, multiple times."

I think this was an actual beheading.

Oh jeez, yikes. I take it back!

[Reub]

From what I've heard the police are calling it "workplace violence". Similar to the violent Islamist who killed so many at Ft. Hood. No mention of their virulent,  sadistic ideology. Now those are crooked cops!

[Tortoise]

Yeah, I have no problem with most Muslims, who are peaceful, but I do have a problem with Islam, which is an inherently violent and bloody religion. The Muslims who are covered in infidels' blood are the real Muslims who actually do what the Koran commands.

[dualstow]

Yeah, I have no problem with most Muslims, who are peaceful, but I do have a problem with Islam,

As Bill would say, it depends on what the definition of Islam is.
Or interpretation, rather.

[Reub]

Is there anyone here who will wager that this will be the last Muslim beheading in this country? Anyone deny the need for profiling and heightened surveillance?

The latest ambassador for the religion of peace posted this on Facebook:

"Islam will dominate the world.  Freedom can go to hell."

[clacy]

Radical Islam is a scourge that ultimately will have to be destroyed.

[Reub]

Radical Islam is a scourge that ultimately will have to be destroyed.

Yes, but what of our rights?

[Jan Van]

As Bill would say, it depends on what the definition of Islam is.
Or interpretation, rather.

Obama Is Wrong and Bill Maher and Sam Harris Are Right About Islam and ISIL

[moda0306]

So I suppose peaceful Christians and Jews aren't really Christians and Jews since The OT is such a violent mess of BS...

Look this is all semantics. All these old books are stories filled with a lot of moral garbage.  There is no "true Muslim" as various people would define it differently. A religion isn't a "religion of peace."  That's a garbage statement. Individuals either are peaceful or violent. Religions are just comforting fantasies in individuals' heads :/. (Perhaps that last part is up for debate).

More pertinent questions are "should we still be emigrating Muslims to the U.S.," and "is a Muslim chopping my head off more likely to happen than me getting shot by a cop for reaching for my license?"

Both of which, to me, are clearly "no."

[WildAboutHarry]

[quote=moda0306]"is a Muslim chopping my head off more likely to happen than me getting shot by a cop for reaching for my license?"[/quote]

No, but you are more likely to get your head chopped off by a Muslim than by a cop.

And the OT (especially Leviticus) is full of misogyny, homophobia, slavery, et al.  Jews and Christians seem to have gotten past most of that.  Islam, not so much.

On a lighter note:

My favorite OT pet name:  Dorothy Parker apparently named her pet canary Onan.  Because the canary spilled its seed on the ground.

[moda0306]

WaH,

Well if we are going to talk cops vs radical Islam, overall, cops are a much, much higher form of risk to my life than a Muslim is.

And yes Islam on average is more loony than other fantasies about reality. But it's not their book that makes it so. It's what they do.

[Pointedstick]

For me, here's what it comes down to:

- I do not know or have any personal contact with any Muslims. By contrast, I see police officers every day.

- I can fight back against a Muslim extremist who is trying to kill me. By contrast, I cannot resist a police officer's predations.

- I am not forced to subsidize any Muslims. BY contrast, I am forced to pay for the cost of the police who may oppress or harm me.


So on the levels of likelihood of risk through contact, ability to resist, and outrageous forced subsidy, the police come out as more dangerous and objectionable in my way of thinking.

[Reub]

And yet that police officer saved the 2nd woman from being beheaded and shot the crazy Jihadist.

[WildAboutHarry]

[quote=moda0306]Well if we are going to talk cops vs radical Islam, overall, cops are a much, much higher form of risk to my life than a Muslim is.[/quote]

Quite simply, not so.  The net benefit of cops - horrible incidents notwithstanding - is positive.  The presence of a police force inhibits crime.  Can you imagine the interstate without police patrol?  Can you imagine rates of theft, mayhem, etc. in the absence of an organized police force?

And speaking of risk, we have radical Islam to thank for the Patriot Act, the TSA, and other infringements of personal liberty, in addition to the massive cost of dealing with this threat.  This is a greater threat to your life  and your freedom than any cop, assuming you do not engage in criminal behavior, etc.

And thanks for that point, Reub.  You beat me to it.

[Reub]

You're welcome!  I think that those who see radical Islam as a minimal threat because only one poor woman has been decapitated so far and only one military base in Texas has been attacked and only two very large buildings here have been brought down so far and only one Pentagon has been attacked so far are being very myopic.  Radical crazy violent Islam has destroyed much of the world and is well along in its destruction of Europe. And its not the first time.

[moda0306]

WaH,

You know HB is rolling over in his grave right now, right!?

[moda0306]

We have government agents to thank for government overreach, not "Islam."

[Reub]

If HB were alive today they would gladly cut his head off too. And yours.

[moda0306]

If HB were alive today they would gladly cut his head off too. And yours.

I'm alive. No cuts yet. Not even shaving. I use electric.

[Reub]

I wish that poor beheaded woman or the thousands who died on 9\11 were doing just as well.

It turns out that the crazed Islamic Jihadist decapitator was on probation for assaulting a police officer so some of you share that mentality with him.

[Benko]

Cops VS Islam hardly seems like an either or situation to me, eternal vigilance against corruption and criminal behavior among those hired to protect and serve is mandatory and an obligation, the vast majority not being corrupt is no excuse for those that are, and zero tolerance should be the standard.
Islamist are the batshit crazy serial killers in the world of political/religious ideology's, as much as i like a non interventionist foreign policy we have a long messed up history of intervention to unwind, and a serious threat to be dealt with on the way to making it a reality, and dealing with it shouldn't be done at the cost of liberty...

which is the more serious threat bad cops or bad political/religious ideology's?.. --its no contest you have to deal with and try to fix both--

1.  The odds are strong that people in this thread will neither be abused by cops nor personally beheaded. 

2.  The cops issue is an issue of individuals who are problems.  Such cops don't band together to create zones where all cops are like that, or roam to other areas to abuse people.

3. One can minimize the odds of any unpleasant interactions with cops in many situations by certain behaviors on your part. 

[WiseOne]

I've wondered if ISIS is more the Mideast equivalent of our organized gangs, than they are a true representative of Islam.  They have a lot in common with the Bloods, the Crips, and Mexican drug gangs.  The only differences are that they talk about wanting to impose an Islamic caliphate, but I doubt their idea of one matches that of your average Sunni cleric.

And the problem is not so much Islam as saddam husseins former generals being turned loose without a job early in the Iraq war, giving them every motivation to create a resistance.  And how in that region do you gather lots of fanatical young men to fight under your direction?  Talk up the local religion of course. 

Not to take away from the valid concerns about Islam.  The fact that religious leaders haven't spoken out strongly against ISIS is pretty damning.

[Tortoise]

Not to take away from the valid concerns about Islam.  The fact that religious leaders haven't spoken out strongly against ISIS is pretty damning.

Which religious leaders do you mean? Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc.?