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Perhaps.TennPaGa wrote:Obama's parents were married when he was born, you know.Desert wrote: That bastard vampire!
Perhaps it's that same quality that makes it invisible to conservatives...TennPaGa wrote:Ah, but he has a birth cerificate. It's just that when you hold it up to a mirror, you can't see its reflection.Desert wrote:Ok, I'll give you that. But he's still a vampire. That's why he doesn't have a birth certificate.TennPaGa wrote: Obama's parents were married when he was born, you know.
I've made all those statements when Bush was in. I consider him one of the worst presidents, but Obama has him beat.clacy wrote:During the Bush years, I don't seem to recall the "all Presidents lie" or "all Presidents are corrupt" or "all Presidents are incompetent" or "all Presidents use the IRS to persecute political enemies" or any of the other "all Presidents......" that I've read a lot of over the last couple of years on internet boards.Mountaineer wrote:moda and stuper1,moda0306 wrote: Exactly... I mean of course I wouldn't want an overly arrogant, dishonest father.
But I highly, highly doubt that Mountaineer was almost losing his lunch at some of his more beloved Republican presidents, who certainly were smarmy, dishonest, and narcissistic.
It seems to me there are some things that we cannot just "let slide" because "the infamous all" presidents are liars, cheats, and probably corrupt. Just because they are does not make it right. Your logic is similar to the child saying to his parents, "everyone else gets to do it, why can't I?". When we let dishonesty slide, we become just as bad as those we are throwing stones at; yes, I'm a sinner just as you are, but there is a source of absolute right and wrong and when we do not abide by that source, things go mightly awry. In this world, behavior has consequences (or at least it should) and when anyone, even the president, lies, cheats, and steals from the public to feather his own nest we are obligated to take a stand or we will suffer the consequences. We may be severly chastised, persecuted, or worse by our so called friends and/or enemies, but in the end, how can we live with ourselves if we "go along to get along" and sink to the level of a liar president? I would hope that a shred of self respect and respect for others still exists. And to address your last point, I am not slavishly wedded to the Republican party (as apparently many liberals are to the Democratic party); I humbly suggest that you not measure everyone by your personal standards ... they really do not matter and neither do mine. The ONLY standard that ultimately matters is God's Word.
... Mountaineer
I really don't remember conservatives making that argument much.
That is all the Obama supporters have at this point, because it's obvious that he's NOT above corruption. He's NOT transparent. He's NOT a world leader. He has NOT focused on helping the people that he said he was for.
