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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:06 pm

Yang seems like a really good dude.
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. Who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. . . Nothing is better for a man than to eat and drink and enjoy his work.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pmward » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:29 pm
Well, I meant that to mean Trump, not just in general. Because I would agree with you if the president was utterly failing and nobody liked him. But if 90% of his party likes him and he's moving the ball forward, that's not enough of a reason to get rid of him. There was one guy who left the Republican party because he doesn't like Trump (Amash, from Michigan), which is certainly putting your money where your mouth is.
Jeff Flake gave up his seat because of Trump as well, and has publicly stated that the U.S. would be better with a Dem president in 2020 than with Trump. There are other quotes I've read (though I didn't save links so they are not handy) of Republican congressmen making negative comments about Trump and his policies. Trump is doing more harm than good, and I think most of the actual Republican politicians realize this. Most of his policies are completely opposite of traditional Republican policies, as such they are opposite of most of the Republican congressmen. His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did. He literally could repeat everything Hitler did, and they would still cheer. Most of the lay-Republicans are uneducated and are just happy he is not Obama, Bernie, AOC, or have the last name Clinton HAHA. So I don't put much weight into the Republican only approval ratings. His historically low overall approval rating tells the real story.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:01 pm

Yang, yup. I like him.
and I thought, "This is a dangerous place"
Who should appear, but two policemen
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by drumminj » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm

pmward wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm
His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did.
Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here who supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????

Edit: "to" -> "who"
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by sophie » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:45 am

drumminj wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm
pmward wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm
His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did.
Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here to supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????
If there's any brainwashing going on, it's by the mainstream media.

Whether you like Trump as a person or not, though, is beside the point. The Democrats are going to run either Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. I can't see Joe Biden being allowed to run, even though he's the one I'd be most likely to vote for. Bernie Sanders has proposed a 16 TRILLION $ version of the Green New Deal, and plans to pay for it by increasing taxes on "the rich" by (according to posted details of his tax plan) increasing taxes across the board by ~15%. He's gone much further to the left since the last election and even just in the last month, it looks like to me. Elizabeth Warren has an assortment of $1-2 trillion $ proposals, and plans to pay for them with a new wealth tax (for a start). All are open-borders enthusiasts, which is not as popular a position as the press likes to think. It's not clear if there will be a Republican primary challenger. Nikki Haley, William Weld, and Jeff Flake could very likely defeat Trump in the primary, but so far no one has stepped up except *maybe* William Weld.

No matter who the Republicans run, though, I think they'll win simply because the center left/middle/right population won't be able to stomach those extreme left platforms. What it may come down to is this: how much are you willing to pay out of your own pocket for the pleasure of not hearing about Trump's tweets? Bernie Sanders, if he gets his way, will cost me in the neighborhood of $30,000 a year. I have a much cheaper option: don't read the news. As far any potential economic fallout, the PP will take care of things nicely. Sorry to be selfish but that's just how it is.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by drumminj » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:02 am

sophie wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:45 am
how much are you willing to pay out of your own pocket for the pleasure of not hearing about Trump's tweets?
Sadly, many people are happy to pay out of other peoples' pockets, which is how many will think of any "wealth tax".
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:41 am

sophie wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:45 am
drumminj wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm
pmward wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm
His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did.
Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here to supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????
If there's any brainwashing going on, it's by the mainstream media.

Whether you like Trump as a person or not, though, is beside the point. The Democrats are going to run either Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. I can't see Joe Biden being allowed to run, even though he's the one I'd be most likely to vote for. Bernie Sanders has proposed a 16 TRILLION $ version of the Green New Deal, and plans to pay for it by increasing taxes on "the rich" by (according to posted details of his tax plan) increasing taxes across the board by ~15%. He's gone much further to the left since the last election and even just in the last month, it looks like to me. Elizabeth Warren has an assortment of $1-2 trillion $ proposals, and plans to pay for them with a new wealth tax (for a start). All are open-borders enthusiasts, which is not as popular a position as the press likes to think. It's not clear if there will be a Republican primary challenger. Nikki Haley, William Weld, and Jeff Flake could very likely defeat Trump in the primary, but so far no one has stepped up except *maybe* William Weld.
I don't know why you think that anyone could beat Trump in the Republican primaries. He has about 90% support among Republicans.
According to PredictIt, the probability of his being the nominee is about 88%. (https://www.predictit.org/markets/detai ... nomination)
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pmward » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:47 am

drumminj wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm
pmward wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm
His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did.
Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here who supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????

Edit: "to" -> "who"
I don't think anyone who really takes an unbiased look at Trumps actions can come to the conclusion that his motives are good, that he is a good person, that he is a good leader, or that he deserves to be the president. Judge the tree by the fruit it bears. The fruit we have gotten from Trump is all rotten to the core.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:01 am

pmward wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:47 am
drumminj wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm
pmward wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 pm
His brainwashed lay-followers on the other hand would still cheer for him regardless of what he did.
Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here who supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????

Edit: "to" -> "who"
I don't think anyone who really takes an unbiased look at Trumps actions can come to the conclusion that his motives are good, that he is a good person, that he is a good leader, or that he deserves to be the president. Judge the tree by the fruit it bears, and the fruit we have gotten from Trump is all rotten to the core.
Maybe you ought to consider that there are people who honestly disagree with you.

Me, for example. I believe Trump is in general a good person, that his motives are basically sound, and that he has accomplished a lot against tremendous opposition.

And I'm not a die-hard Republican. I voted for Obama the first time because he was running against McCain, and I still think McCain would have been worse.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pmward » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:06 am

technovelist wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:01 am
pmward wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:47 am
drumminj wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:28 pm


Do we really need the ad-hominems here? You may not like someone, and disagree with their behaviors or policies, but are you really intending to say that anyone reading here who supports our sitting president is "brainwashed"????

Edit: "to" -> "who"
I don't think anyone who really takes an unbiased look at Trumps actions can come to the conclusion that his motives are good, that he is a good person, that he is a good leader, or that he deserves to be the president. Judge the tree by the fruit it bears, and the fruit we have gotten from Trump is all rotten to the core.
Maybe you ought to consider that there are people who honestly disagree with you.

Me, for example. I believe Trump is in general a good person, that his motives are basically sound, and that he has accomplished a lot against tremendous opposition.

And I'm not a die-hard Republican. I voted for Obama the first time because he was running against McCain, and I still think McCain would have been worse.
What is the fruit we have gotten from Trump? Regular Tweet-storms with no intellectual backing or sense behind them, a Cold War with China, a deteriorating economy that is weak and potentially on the verge of recession, what is one step away from concentration camps for illegal aliens, more political and civil unrest than we have had in the post-Vietnam era, policies that have led to a widening wealth gap, a war against the Federal Reserves independence in a selfish bid to buy himself re-election (calling the Fed chair he nominated an enemy of the state in public, really??), a president that is threatening to completely disband the Federal reserve so he can take charge of monetary policy. How is this the actions of a "good person"?!?! How are these "sound motives"?!?! I'm dying to hear how these evils can be twisted and distorted to sound like they are good.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:10 am

pmward wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:06 am
technovelist wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:01 am
pmward wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:47 am


I don't think anyone who really takes an unbiased look at Trumps actions can come to the conclusion that his motives are good, that he is a good person, that he is a good leader, or that he deserves to be the president. Judge the tree by the fruit it bears, and the fruit we have gotten from Trump is all rotten to the core.
Maybe you ought to consider that there are people who honestly disagree with you.

Me, for example. I believe Trump is in general a good person, that his motives are basically sound, and that he has accomplished a lot against tremendous opposition.

And I'm not a die-hard Republican. I voted for Obama the first time because he was running against McCain, and I still think McCain would have been worse.
What is the fruit we have gotten from Trump? Regular Tweet-storms with no intellectual backing or sense behind them, a Cold War with China, a deteriorating economy that is weak and potentially on the verge of recession, what is one step away from concentration camps for illegal aliens, more political and civil unrest than we have had in the post-Vietnam era, policies that have led to a widening wealth gap, a war against the Federal Reserves independence in a selfish bid to buy himself re-election (calling the Fed chair he nominated an enemy of the state in public, really??), a president that is threatening to completely disband the Federal reserve so he can take charge of monetary policy. How is this the actions of a "good person"?!?! How are these "sound motives"?!?! I'm dying to hear how these evils can be twisted and distorted to sound like they are good.
Here are a few of his accomplishments:

Tremendous reductions in unnecessary regulations.
No new wars, and some reduction in overseas adventurism.
The "Right to Try" act.
VA reform.
Prison reform.
Record low unemployment among minorities.
A booming economy.
Foreign policy improvements including reining in North Korea to a greater extent than any recent President.

As for the "political and civil unrest", that is entirely due to the relentless baseless attacks against him and everyone who supports him by the lamestream media and the Democrat party.

As for "one step from concentration camps", I don't recall anyone breaking INTO Germany to get into concentration camps. That is also a great insult to those who actually suffered and died in the REAL concentration camps.

As for the Federal Reserve, they are a bunch of crooks who should all be fired. We don't need a central bank.

In conclusion, I wish you a speedy recovery from your TDS.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pmward » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:11 am

technovelist wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:10 am
pmward wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:06 am
technovelist wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:01 am


Maybe you ought to consider that there are people who honestly disagree with you.

Me, for example. I believe Trump is in general a good person, that his motives are basically sound, and that he has accomplished a lot against tremendous opposition.

And I'm not a die-hard Republican. I voted for Obama the first time because he was running against McCain, and I still think McCain would have been worse.
What is the fruit we have gotten from Trump? Regular Tweet-storms with no intellectual backing or sense behind them, a Cold War with China, a deteriorating economy that is weak and potentially on the verge of recession, what is one step away from concentration camps for illegal aliens, more political and civil unrest than we have had in the post-Vietnam era, policies that have led to a widening wealth gap, a war against the Federal Reserves independence in a selfish bid to buy himself re-election (calling the Fed chair he nominated an enemy of the state in public, really??), a president that is threatening to completely disband the Federal reserve so he can take charge of monetary policy. How is this the actions of a "good person"?!?! How are these "sound motives"?!?! I'm dying to hear how these evils can be twisted and distorted to sound like they are good.
I hope you recover from your TDS.
Avoiding answering the question I asked and failure to address the very valid points I raised, while insulting me as a person, is not a way to win the debate.
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