Trump as tragicomedy

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:36 pm

moda0306 wrote:Trump has vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state.
Or maybe he’s just “pacing and leading” on some or all of those issues.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Benko » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:26 pm

moda0306 wrote:Trump has vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state.

I'd love to see tech's evidence that he's any sort of reliable threat to the deep state.

But I know we won't get it.
Advocated for=words. What has actually changed/been done on the basis of those words?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:37 pm

Benko wrote:
moda0306 wrote:Trump has vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state.

I'd love to see tech's evidence that he's any sort of reliable threat to the deep state.

But I know we won't get it.
Advocated for=words. What has actually changed/been done on the basis of those words?
No, it is unfair to point that out! It might make some people actually look at facts...
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by l82start » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:34 pm

in all fairness candidate trump did "vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state." i don't recall president trump advocating or following through on any of this hyperbolic election nuttery at all. this is certainly in keeping with how heat of the campaign bloviating is forgotten by most/all candidates... he has however(against all political norms) managed to follow through on some of his legitimate campaign promises which is an unorthodox precedent that i am happy to see set... ;D
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:22 pm

l82start wrote:in all fairness candidate trump did "vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state." i don't recall president trump advocating or following through on any of this hyperbolic election nuttery at all. this is certainly in keeping with how heat of the campaign bloviating is forgotten by most/all candidates... he has however(against all political norms) managed to follow through on some of his legitimate campaign promises which is an unorthodox precedent that i am happy to see set... ;D
Exactly.

I really love it how the mainstream media seems so put out about his actually trying to keep some of his promises. How dare he upset their expectations that way!
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Maddy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:56 pm

In today's headlines, the Pentagon has made known its intent to defy President Trump with regard to his ban on transgenders in the military. So you tell me: Who's actually in charge, and what reason is there to believe that the Pentagon isn't establishing US foreign policy as well?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Benko » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:29 pm

The deep state is all too much in charge in many areas.

If Trump were more ruthless and authoritarian as people think, he would have fired Comey day 1, cleaned house as fast as possible and the country would have been better off.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:44 pm

How much of the last minute stuff was done by Obama just in order to potentially mess with Trump were he to win?

***Transgendered people -- June 2016, 8 years into his presidency, is when Obama decided to allow them? Why not earlier?

-- Section 1. Policy. (a) Until June 2016, the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (collectively, the Departments) generally prohibited openly transgender individuals from accession into the United States military and authorized the discharge of such individuals. Shortly before President Obama left office, however, his Administration dismantled the Departments' established framework by permitting transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, authorizing the use of the Departments' resources to fund sex-reassignment surgical procedures, and permitting accession of such individuals after July 1, 2017. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security have since extended the deadline to alter the currently effective accession policy to January 1, 2018, while the Departments continue to study the issue.

***Utah Bears Ears, in December 2016??:

Obama, as expected, named 1.35 million acres of federal land as the Bears Ears National Monument in late December, just a month before leaving office. Tribes and environmentalists celebrated, but Utah officials were angry.

***Jerusalem, seems every president in the past 25 years ran on this but then pulled back, but Trump finally pulled the trigger?
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My head is spinning. Last month I was 100% anti-Trump, after voting for him. I am now starting to reverse that position....

until 25 more women come out and accuse him of sexual misconduct....

Yes, my head is spinning.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm

Cortopassi wrote:How much of the last minute stuff was done by Obama just in order to potentially mess with Trump were he to win?

***Transgendered people -- June 2016, 8 years into his presidency, is when Obama decided to allow them? Why not earlier?

-- Section 1. Policy. (a) Until June 2016, the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (collectively, the Departments) generally prohibited openly transgender individuals from accession into the United States military and authorized the discharge of such individuals. Shortly before President Obama left office, however, his Administration dismantled the Departments' established framework by permitting transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, authorizing the use of the Departments' resources to fund sex-reassignment surgical procedures, and permitting accession of such individuals after July 1, 2017. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security have since extended the deadline to alter the currently effective accession policy to January 1, 2018, while the Departments continue to study the issue.

***Utah Bears Ears, in December 2016??:

Obama, as expected, named 1.35 million acres of federal land as the Bears Ears National Monument in late December, just a month before leaving office. Tribes and environmentalists celebrated, but Utah officials were angry.

***Jerusalem, seems every president in the past 25 years ran on this but then pulled back, but Trump finally pulled the trigger?
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My head is spinning. Last month I was 100% anti-Trump, after voting for him. I am now starting to reverse that position....

until 25 more women come out and accuse him of sexual misconduct....

Yes, my head is spinning.
Any such allegations that are:
(1) old; and
(2) without independent corroboration

can be safely ignored as being part of the orchestrated attempt to remove Trump. He was never supposed to win, and the deep state is doing their best to reverse that "unacceptable" outcome.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:34 pm

Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
Dow down 600+ points. Gold- well, see AdamSmith’s post in the gold scream rm
one of the cnbc guys I dislike just said you can track silver to the President’s tweets
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by l82start » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:37 pm

dualstow wrote:Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
between the lines. ;)
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Maddy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:27 pm

dualstow wrote:Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
This is a very interesting and eye-opening multi-chapter work that delves into the Deep State's intimate connections to Hollywood, the music industry, pedophilia, the military-industrial complex, the U.S. intelligence apparatus, the occult, psychedelic drugs, and the hippy movement.
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/laurelcanyon/
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