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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:37 pm

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moda0306 wrote:Trump has vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state.

I'd love to see tech's evidence that he's any sort of reliable threat to the deep state.

But I know we won't get it.
Advocated for=words. What has actually changed/been done on the basis of those words?
No, it is unfair to point that out! It might make some people actually look at facts...
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by l82start » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:34 pm

in all fairness candidate trump did "vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state." i don't recall president trump advocating or following through on any of this hyperbolic election nuttery at all. this is certainly in keeping with how heat of the campaign bloviating is forgotten by most/all candidates... he has however(against all political norms) managed to follow through on some of his legitimate campaign promises which is an unorthodox precedent that i am happy to see set... ;D
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:22 pm

l82start wrote:in all fairness candidate trump did "vociferously advocated for torture, imperialistic war and theft, murdering family-members of alleged "terrorists," and an expanded police state." i don't recall president trump advocating or following through on any of this hyperbolic election nuttery at all. this is certainly in keeping with how heat of the campaign bloviating is forgotten by most/all candidates... he has however(against all political norms) managed to follow through on some of his legitimate campaign promises which is an unorthodox precedent that i am happy to see set... ;D
Exactly.

I really love it how the mainstream media seems so put out about his actually trying to keep some of his promises. How dare he upset their expectations that way!
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Benko » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:29 pm

The deep state is all too much in charge in many areas.

If Trump were more ruthless and authoritarian as people think, he would have fired Comey day 1, cleaned house as fast as possible and the country would have been better off.
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:44 pm

How much of the last minute stuff was done by Obama just in order to potentially mess with Trump were he to win?

***Transgendered people -- June 2016, 8 years into his presidency, is when Obama decided to allow them? Why not earlier?

-- Section 1. Policy. (a) Until June 2016, the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (collectively, the Departments) generally prohibited openly transgender individuals from accession into the United States military and authorized the discharge of such individuals. Shortly before President Obama left office, however, his Administration dismantled the Departments' established framework by permitting transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, authorizing the use of the Departments' resources to fund sex-reassignment surgical procedures, and permitting accession of such individuals after July 1, 2017. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security have since extended the deadline to alter the currently effective accession policy to January 1, 2018, while the Departments continue to study the issue.

***Utah Bears Ears, in December 2016??:

Obama, as expected, named 1.35 million acres of federal land as the Bears Ears National Monument in late December, just a month before leaving office. Tribes and environmentalists celebrated, but Utah officials were angry.

***Jerusalem, seems every president in the past 25 years ran on this but then pulled back, but Trump finally pulled the trigger?
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My head is spinning. Last month I was 100% anti-Trump, after voting for him. I am now starting to reverse that position....

until 25 more women come out and accuse him of sexual misconduct....

Yes, my head is spinning.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Cortopassi wrote:How much of the last minute stuff was done by Obama just in order to potentially mess with Trump were he to win?

***Transgendered people -- June 2016, 8 years into his presidency, is when Obama decided to allow them? Why not earlier?

-- Section 1. Policy. (a) Until June 2016, the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (collectively, the Departments) generally prohibited openly transgender individuals from accession into the United States military and authorized the discharge of such individuals. Shortly before President Obama left office, however, his Administration dismantled the Departments' established framework by permitting transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, authorizing the use of the Departments' resources to fund sex-reassignment surgical procedures, and permitting accession of such individuals after July 1, 2017. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security have since extended the deadline to alter the currently effective accession policy to January 1, 2018, while the Departments continue to study the issue.

***Utah Bears Ears, in December 2016??:

Obama, as expected, named 1.35 million acres of federal land as the Bears Ears National Monument in late December, just a month before leaving office. Tribes and environmentalists celebrated, but Utah officials were angry.

***Jerusalem, seems every president in the past 25 years ran on this but then pulled back, but Trump finally pulled the trigger?
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My head is spinning. Last month I was 100% anti-Trump, after voting for him. I am now starting to reverse that position....

until 25 more women come out and accuse him of sexual misconduct....

Yes, my head is spinning.
Any such allegations that are:
(1) old; and
(2) without independent corroboration

can be safely ignored as being part of the orchestrated attempt to remove Trump. He was never supposed to win, and the deep state is doing their best to reverse that "unacceptable" outcome.
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Post by dualstow » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:34 pm

Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
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Post by l82start » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:37 pm

dualstow wrote:Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
between the lines. ;)
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by l82start » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:58 pm

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dualstow wrote:Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
This is a very interesting and eye-opening multi-chapter work that delves into the Deep State's intimate connections to Hollywood, the music industry, pedophilia, the military-industrial complex, the U.S. intelligence apparatus, the occult, psychedelic drugs, and the hippy movement.
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/laurelcanyon/

oooh i like that one, i read all the way through it a couple years ago, it was a strange and almost addictive read on the sixties and the counterculture... it put an entirely different spin on it for me as a post sixties child, it created a wonderful and healthy skepticism in me about a decade its music and culture that i was mostly just in awe of beforehand....
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:17 am

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dualstow wrote:Where is the best place to read about the so-called deep state?
This is a very interesting and eye-opening multi-chapter work that delves into the Deep State's intimate connections to Hollywood, the music industry, pedophilia, the military-industrial complex, the U.S. intelligence apparatus, the occult, psychedelic drugs, and the hippy movement.
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/laurelcanyon/
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:11 pm

Maddy wrote:As I skim this morning's news concerning the surfacing of FBI e-mails referring to an "insurance policy" addressed to the unlikely possibility of a Trump presidency, I'm thinking that you've got to be nuts to conclude that Trump has voluntarily allied himself with the Deep State. Who could possibly be targeted in this Stalinesque way and not become rabidly disenchanted with the establishment?
Right, but that's not all. This is the biggest governmental scandal in my lifetime.

And that includes Watergate.

Let's hope that Congress actually does their job for once.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:21 am

Maddy wrote:I recently heard an excellent interview with Stephen Cohen, self-avowed liberal and professor emeritus of Russian studies at New York University and professor emeritus of politics at Princeton University. His view is that the recurring baseless accusations of treason against President Trump have become a serious security threat to the United States by obstructing the effort toward diplomatic rapprochement and fueling an international crisis of monumental proportion.

Those "progressives" who think Trump is the problem need a reality check and should give some thought to whose agenda they are, in reality, supporting.
"What he's being accused of is treason. This has never happened before in America, that there is a Russia agent in the White House. And we have a whole array of allegations from Putin helped him get in the White House, to his associates are doing wrong things with Russians."

"There is no evidence there was any wrongdoing, and indeed Flynn should have talked to the Russian ambassador. That was his job. This is beyond belief now... This has become a national security threat to us in and of itself,"he explained.

"Two motives have driven this false narrative about Trump, that he is somehow a Kremlin agent. There have been two forces. One is the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party, which doesn't want to admit she lost the election... and that may be because she wants to run again.... At the same time, there has long been in Washington, let's call it the fourth branch of government -- the intelligence services, who have opposed any rapprochement or cooperation with Russia."

"Remember, in 2016, President Obama worked out a deal with Russian president Vladimir Putin, for military cooperation in Syria. He said he was going to share intelligence with Russia, the way Trump and the Russians were supposed to do the other day. Our Department of Defense said they wouldn't share intelligence, and a few days later, they killed Syrian soldiers ["by accident"] violating the agreement, and that was that," he explained.

"So we can ask: Who is making our foreign policy in Washington today?"

Host Tucker Carlson presses him to explain and Cohen says: "You and I have to ask a subversive question. Are there really three branches of government. Or is there a fourth branch of government? These intel services? What we know for a fact, Obama tried not very hard, but he tried for a military alliance with Putin in Syria against terrorism, but it was sabotaged by the Department of Defense and its allies in the intelligence services. Trump sais on the campaign trail, 'Wouldn't it be great to cooperate with Russia?' My answer is, it would be great. And Trump wants that to happen, but he is being thwarted. Every time he gets close, we get a new leak of a story."
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... today.html
"Libs" that support the ilk of Hillary are surely in many forms a threat insofar the establishment dems are a threat to our liberty and security.

But that doesn't mean that all the areas outside of Russia that people are extremely weary of Trump aren't warranted. While we're worrying about Trump/Russia relations, Trump might ignite a war with North Korea. There are lots of threats in the establishment, and lots of idiots outside of it.

Trump is certainly not THE problem... but to think that he's not A problem is ridiculous. Nobody that impulsive, unable to articulate a coherent thought, and willing to employ violence can be written off as leader of the largest killing force in the world.
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