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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by doodle » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 am

The fact is that they are attending crowded sporting events without masks while our numbers are continuing to increase in what is now being called a third wave while we lose nearly 1000 lives a day. The prime minister uses american education as a punchline and people laugh.

Donald Trump failed to lead this nation through this pandemic. Anyone in the business world doing this job as poorly as he did would have been fired.
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Post by pp4me » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:42 am

doodle wrote:
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Donald Trump failed to lead this nation through this pandemic.
If you don't give any specifics that sounds like nothing more than the Democrat talking point we keep hearing over and over. It works because there is nothing to challenge. If you say he did X when he should have done Y then that can either be debated or else we can agree with you.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:32 pm

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New Zealand yesterday. No masks or social distancing required.

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That could be because their nation seems to be largely free from this breed of animal that dominates the American landscape

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Post by sophie » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:09 pm

Has anyone considered the possibility that *nothing* that any governing body has done has either promoted or prevented the spread of the virus?

In other words, the spread of the virus is not anyone's fault. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, and so on. It's about the biology of epidemics. Trying to negate that biology is sort of like the kid who tries to empty the ocean into a sand pit on the beach using a little plastic bucket.

I remember that during the height of the AIDS epidemic, people who blamed the victims for their promiscuous/risky behavior, or said it was a judgment from God, were roundly condemned. I wish we had a bit of that sentiment today.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:26 pm

sophie wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:09 pm
Has anyone considered the possibility that *nothing* that any governing body has done has either promoted or prevented the spread of the virus?

In other words, the spread of the virus is not anyone's fault....

I have. That’s how it looks to me.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:58 pm

sophie wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:09 pm
Has anyone considered the possibility that *nothing* that any governing body has done has either promoted or prevented the spread of the virus?

In other words, the spread of the virus is not anyone's fault. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, and so on. It's about the biology of epidemics. Trying to negate that biology is sort of like the kid who tries to empty the ocean into a sand pit on the beach using a little plastic bucket.

I remember that during the height of the AIDS epidemic, people who blamed the victims for their promiscuous/risky behavior, or said it was a judgment from God, were roundly condemned. I wish we had a bit of that sentiment today.
Is what you say somewhat analogous to saying that humans have had no effect on climate change? That we are just witnessing the natural course of climate change?

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Post by vnatale » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:03 am

Why Your Hand Sanitizer May Be Ineffective Or Tainted By Cancer-Causing Chemicals


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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:19 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:48 pm
sophie wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:09 pm
Has anyone considered the possibility that *nothing* that any governing body has done has either promoted or prevented the spread of the virus?

In other words, the spread of the virus is not anyone's fault. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, and so on. It's about the biology of epidemics. Trying to negate that biology is sort of like the kid who tries to empty the ocean into a sand pit on the beach using a little plastic bucket.

I remember that during the height of the AIDS epidemic, people who blamed the victims for their promiscuous/risky behavior, or said it was a judgment from God, were roundly condemned. I wish we had a bit of that sentiment today.
What IS Cuomo's fault is sending covid-positive patients into nursing homes.
That resulted in quite a few premature deaths.
It’s also Cuomo’s fault for attempting to take a victory lap with his new book.
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Post by Hal » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:04 am

Woo Hoo!

Latest news from "The Peoples Paradise"!
I can now get my hair cut after four months and travel up to 25 Km from home before I get my head kicked in >:D

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 5665n.html

And Automatic car washes will be allowed; such freedom ;D

PS: At least some people have a sense of humour, they have been busy at Uncyclopedia!
https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Victoria_Police
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:58 am

HAH
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:18 pm

EXPLAINER
How Long Does Coronavirus Last on Surfaces?
The coronavirus responsible for the disease COVID-19 can remain intact on surfaces for anywhere up to 72 hours, according to a study conducted by US researchers.
The precise figure depends heavily on the type of surface infected droplets land on, and might also rely on the density of virus particles in the spray, and other environmental conditions - such as temperature and sunlight.
But with so many particles found to still be infectious after being in the air for a number of hours, the evidence shows why we need to be so concerned with simple hygiene.
Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the Centers for Disease Control, Princeton University, and University of California, Los Angeles, experimented with the SARS-CoV-2 virus under laboratory conditions to determine how fast virus particles broke down outside of a host body.
Previous research examining the literature on animal and human strains of coronavirus provided insight into the virus's ability to keep its integrity as it moves through the environment. But until now, experimental evidence on new SARS-CoV-2 has been limited.
The virus behind the 2003 SARS epidemic, SARS-CoV-1, was also tested for comparison, with strains of both pathogens sprayed as micrometre-sized droplets onto various surfaces including cardboard, copper, and plastic.
Just hanging about in the atmosphere, the effect of factors such as UV light and heat causes the mix of RNA, fatty membrane, and protein making up the particles to steadily break down in a few hours.
Dropped onto plastic, the two virus strains appear to be able to stay intact far longer. Only half of the SARS-CoV-2 particles broke apart in just under seven hours, for example, with viable coronavirus particles still detected up to three days later.
Stainless steel was almost as bad, with a half-life for SARS-CoV-2 of 5.6 hours.
Copper, on the other hand, failed to provide similar protection for either strain, with the number of viable particles capable of causing disease vanishing within just four hours for SARS-CoV-2, and eight hours for SARS-CoV-1.
Similarly, on cardboard, no viable SARS-CoV-2 particles could be found after 24 hours, or SARS-CoV-1 after eight.
There are still a number of variables to keep in mind. Variations in individual results show how much the timing is affected by subtle differences.
The laboratory was also kept at a fairly consistent 21 to 23 degrees Celsius, and 65 percent humidity. Just how this latest virus behaves in other conditions of lighting, humidity, and temperature is left to be seen.
What does this mean for the COVID-19 pandemic?
While the figures weren't identical for each of the strains, they were similar enough to raise questions over why the two epidemics have spread in such dramatically different ways.
In 2003, SARS-CoV-1 spread out of China through 26 countries, causing more than 8,000 known infections. The 2020 SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has far exceeded the rate and reach of the previous coronavirus infection, leading researchers to investigate reasons for the difference.
With differences in their ability to remain viable in the environment ruled out, other possibilities need to be considered, including the likelihood of infected individuals failing to experience symptoms in the same way.
On a more practical front, the study reaffirms the need to disinfect surfaces – especially those made of plastic and stainless steel – where possible. In addition, after touching any of these surfaces, it's important to wash your hands with soap and water.
This research was published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
All articles are determined by fact checkers to be correct and relevant at the time of publishing. Information published on the coronavirus during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic may be updated frequently to reflect the dynamic nature of current understanding.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:21 pm

Vinny, if you're going to post stuff like that, please provide a link to the source.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Hal wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:04 am
Woo Hoo!

Latest news from "The Peoples Paradise"!
I can now get my hair cut after four months and travel up to 25 Km from home before I get my head kicked in >:D

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 5665n.html

And Automatic car washes will be allowed; such freedom ;D
Jesus that's some crazy level of detail. It probably took them 100 days to concoct it.
So with all the prior restrictions, did covid drop to nil?
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Post by Hal » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Jesus that's some crazy level of detail. It probably took them 100 days to concoct it.
So with all the prior restrictions, did covid drop to nil?
No, still having infections. Guess the virus isn't following the regulations ;D

For crazy, how's this.
1. Want to cut grass at my mothers house in the country
2. Phone regional council.
3. They send out inspector to check height of grass.
4. They send grass cutting permit
5. Have to present it to police at "Ring of Steel"
(seriously, I spoke to a council officer whose job it is to check "grass height" :o )

https://twitter.com/aussieval10/status/ ... 3078300672
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am

Hal wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Jesus that's some crazy level of detail. It probably took them 100 days to concoct it.
So with all the prior restrictions, did covid drop to nil?
No, still having infections. Guess the virus isn't following the regulations ;D

For crazy, how's this.
1. Want to cut grass at my mothers house in the country
2. Phone regional council.
3. They send out inspector to check height of grass.
4. They send grass cutting permit
5. Have to present it to police at "Ring of Steel"
(seriously, I spoke to a council officer whose job it is to check "grass height" :o )

https://twitter.com/aussieval10/status/ ... 3078300672
Insanity. Are any citizens thinking about moving? Will the current leaders be re-elected?
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Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:01 am

pugchief wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:21 pm
Vinny, if you're going to post stuff like that, please provide a link to the source.
I had thought that this covered it? "This research was published in The New England Journal of Medicine."

I put here what I'd received in an email.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:03 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
Hal wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Jesus that's some crazy level of detail. It probably took them 100 days to concoct it.
So with all the prior restrictions, did covid drop to nil?
No, still having infections. Guess the virus isn't following the regulations ;D

For crazy, how's this.
1. Want to cut grass at my mothers house in the country
2. Phone regional council.
3. They send out inspector to check height of grass.
4. They send grass cutting permit
5. Have to present it to police at "Ring of Steel"
(seriously, I spoke to a council officer whose job it is to check "grass height" :o )

https://twitter.com/aussieval10/status/ ... 3078300672
Insanity. Are any citizens thinking about moving?
About as many as will flee to Canada if either Trump or Biden is elected.
Will the current leaders be re-elected?
Is that a serious question? You live in IL. Has Madigan been re-elected? Or Daley? Will Bubba Pritzker? (Hint: yes)
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Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:04 am

vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:01 am
pugchief wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:21 pm
Vinny, if you're going to post stuff like that, please provide a link to the source.
I had thought that this covered it? "This research was published in The New England Journal of Medicine."

I put here what I'd received in an email.

Vinny
And, if anyone was more interested in the source than that then someone could have easily pasted one of its sentences into Bing (like I just did) and got this back in return: https://www.sciencealert.com/how-long-d ... n-surfaces

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:57 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
Hal wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Jesus that's some crazy level of detail. It probably took them 100 days to concoct it.
So with all the prior restrictions, did covid drop to nil?
No, still having infections. Guess the virus isn't following the regulations ;D

For crazy, how's this.
1. Want to cut grass at my mothers house in the country
2. Phone regional council.
3. They send out inspector to check height of grass.
4. They send grass cutting permit
5. Have to present it to police at "Ring of Steel"
(seriously, I spoke to a council officer whose job it is to check "grass height" :o )

https://twitter.com/aussieval10/status/ ... 3078300672
Insanity. Are any citizens thinking about moving? Will the current leaders be re-elected?
Answer at the 14:20 minute mark ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuGKjtpw4QA
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Post by I Shrugged » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:19 pm

Not surprising Hal. Thanks.
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Post by pp4me » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 pm

Interesting piece by John Derbyshire discussing the tweet below about how China suppressed COVID using AI.

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/give-us ... e-liberty/

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Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 am

pp4me wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 pm
Interesting piece by John Derbyshire discussing the tweet below about how China suppressed COVID using AI.

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/give-us ... e-liberty/

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Welding people's apartment doors shut might have had something to do with it.
But I suspect the real "secret" is that they are lying their asses off.
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Post by Hal » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:18 am

Free! Free at last ;D (well, nearly)
Think everyone will be leaving Victoria once the state borders open

<snip>
Melburnians still cannot visit regional Victoria until 8 November. And there’s nothing on in-home visits, which will supposedly be announced tomorrow.

Nevertheless, after 16 weeks of hard lockdown, Melburnians can finally breathe a collective sigh of relief. The nightmare is ending.
<snip>

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/1 ... son-gates/
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Post by Maddy » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:34 am

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Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:01 am
Interesting piece by John Derbyshire discussing the tweet below about how China suppressed COVID using AI.

"Order out of chaos." That's the slogan of the American Communist Party referring to the technique by which you bring about political and social transformation by creating a boogie man so frightening that the people beg for your intended "solution."

For an excellent review of how the coronavirus phenomenon has been the launching pad for effecting literally ALL of the global elite's technocratic goals, this very concise 18-minute documentary really hits the nail on the head. The role of artificial intelligence figures prominently, and it has nothing to do with China "suppressing" anything.

https://sarahwestall.com/documentary-gl ... beginning/
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