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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:24 pm

shekels wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 pm
vnatale wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 pm
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 pm
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:24 pm
technovelist wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:45 pm
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A few questions:
  • Why is Trump focusing on producing more ventilators rather than more tests and treatments (e.g., hydrochloroquine)? If CV patients are treated and get better quickly, the vast majority of them won't end up on ventilators.
  • If we look at the nations that have handled their CV outbreaks most effectively thus far (such as South Korea), didn't their effectiveness come largely from their early, widespread testing and tracking -- not from massive numbers of ventilators?
  • Whether we decide to focus on producing more tests, treatments, or ventilators, why does Trump need to convince companies via Twitter to help? Why not invoke wartime powers to forcibly convert certain factories immediately? This pandemic is a world war with a virus, is it not?
He can walk and chew gum at the same time.
All of those things are in the works right now.
As to why he doesn't force companies to act when they are coming forward to volunteer, I'm not sure how to explain that if it isn't obvious.
Because most effective leadership requires making orders to utilize ALL available resources, not just those volunteered.

Vinny
You obviously don't understand motivation at all.
I'm glad you're not my manager.
I totally believe in leading by persuasion. But when that fails and the job HAS to be done then, as a last resort, you order.

Vinny
Wow.. This is why the 2 Amendment exists.
I'm not following your logic.

One time when I was the head of our accounting department for our business I spent an hour trying to explain to an employee why something had to be done a certain way. Her doing this part of the job was critical to everyone else getting their jobs done and the big picture getting accomplished.

After that hour was up I believed I'd spent sufficient time listening to her point of view and my trying to persuade her of mine and if we spent any more time discussing then there was not going to be enough time left for her to accomplish this essential task. So that was one of the rare times I actually had to order someone to get something done. It's why I still so remember it 40 years later.

And, I believe that persuasion is the greatest form of leadership while someone who routinely relies upon positional power by giving orders is generally a poor leader.

You get people to do it. But you are not getting the whole person to do it.

Vinny
Excuse me if I misunderstood,
The way it came off to me was that things are going to change ether way.
By persuasion, and if that fails force.
Sounds a like bit like reeducation or death.
Edit:
To Force a Public company to change business practices does not sound like Liberty to me.
Trump just did it today. So much for relying upon business volunteerism.

I believe Roosevelt did it regularly during World War II.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by shekels » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:33 pm

In this Bailout that was signed today.
Has the Fed been taken over by the Treasury?
Has Trump just nationalized the Private bank know as the FED and
merged it into the treasury.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cur ... 52807.html
I guess we will see.

If the treasury has control of the Monetary Policy, hang on to your hats.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:12 am

Fact check: Trump falsely denies saying two things he said last week

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics ... index.html
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:30 am

Mitch Albom: Hey, President Donald Trump, her name is Gretchen Whitmer
She has a name. It is not "the woman." It is Gretchen Whitmer. And she's doing her job to protect Michiganders from the deadly coronavirus pandemic.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 935591001/
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:36 pm

Giving credit where credit is due. A point for Trumpy Bear.

U.S. Labels Russian White Supremacist Group as Global Terrorist
First time a white supremacist organization Is targeted by terrorism designation

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-labels ... 1586202978

side note: if you're going to form a homophobic group, don't call yourself RIM.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Tue May 26, 2020 12:28 pm

There's a subscriber in the Comments section of the WSJ with technovelist's real name. I thought, ooh, is it tech? I read some of the comments. Definitely not tech. 😂.
Common name.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Tue May 26, 2020 3:08 pm

dualstow wrote:
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There's a subscriber in the Comments section of the WSJ with technovelist's real name. I thought, ooh, is it tech? I read some of the comments. Definitely not tech. 😂.
Common name.
Correct. I don't read the WSJ these days. Isn't it paywalled?
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by dualstow » Tue May 26, 2020 7:57 pm

It is, yeah, except maybe coronavirus news.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by sophie » Wed May 27, 2020 8:59 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:30 am
Mitch Albom: Hey, President Donald Trump, her name is Gretchen Whitmer
She has a name. It is not "the woman." It is Gretchen Whitmer. And she's doing her job to protect Michiganders from the deadly coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 935591001/
I agree, Trump should call her by her name. However...
Gretchen Whitmer hasn’t done anything that every Michigander doesn’t want her to do
That is an obviously false statement, which reveals the bias of the writer of the article and thus makes the entire article suspect. I bet that same reporter wrote about the angry, armed Michigan citizens protesting the lockdown measures. Some of which were indeed quite ridiculous (e.g. a store that's open and that normally sells an item, was forbidden from selling that item and had to remove it from shelves or cordon them off).

Fact checking Trump is something that the media should do, but maybe they should consider fact checking themselves while they're at it.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by technovelist » Wed May 27, 2020 9:05 am

sophie wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 8:59 am
vnatale wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:30 am
Mitch Albom: Hey, President Donald Trump, her name is Gretchen Whitmer
She has a name. It is not "the woman." It is Gretchen Whitmer. And she's doing her job to protect Michiganders from the deadly coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 935591001/
I agree, Trump should call her by her name. However...
Gretchen Whitmer hasn’t done anything that every Michigander doesn’t want her to do
That is an obviously false statement, which reveals the bias of the writer of the article and thus makes the entire article suspect. I bet that same reporter wrote about the angry, armed Michigan citizens protesting the lockdown measures. Some of which were indeed quite ridiculous (e.g. a store that's open and that normally sells an item, was forbidden from selling that item and had to remove it from shelves or cordon them off).

Fact checking Trump is something that the media should do, but maybe they should consider fact checking themselves while they're at it.
But if they did that, then they couldn't attack Trump nonstop 24/7. That's much more important than those annoying facts!
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by doodle » Wed May 27, 2020 11:30 pm

Love him or hate him I think it's apparent that Trump doesn't have the demeanor to be president. Sure the media goads him, but he puts himself out there by acting like a lunatic most of the time. His online presence and tweets are quintessentially troll like and his penchant for using demeanong playground nicknames for his opponents opens him up to a similar lack of respect from those of opposing party which then devolves into what we see today. This wasn't started by Democrats, he was doing this to Republican contenders in primary...acting like a bully, which I personally have no respect for.. The divisiveness he brings out of people is bad overall for all parties and Americans. Although I agree with some of his policies, he is a bad president.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by doodle » Thu May 28, 2020 7:10 am

In response to Twitter fact check controversy, I think unlike most of Trump's tweets, Jack Dorseys handling of firestorm sounded very presidential. Can't ever imagine such leadership and taking responsibility out of our current whiner in Chief.

Fact check: there is someone ultimately accountable for our actions as a company, and that’s me. Please leave our employees out of this. We’ll continue to point out incorrect or disputed information about elections globally. And we will admit to and own any mistakes we make.
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