Tankers attacked

[ochotona]

Did we do it to justify a war with Iran and more payola for defense contractors?

[dualstow]

Could you provide a bit more context, or a link?

[dualstow]

Thanks, pug. Now I see why ocho’s headline was so terse. As with the previous attacks, it’s not clear whose torpedos and mines are damaging and destroying these vessels.

[ochotona]

Sorry posting from my phone very early hard to add URLs.

Notice how gold slept and oil only slightly stirred... it's not registering as a big event.

[Tyler]

I can always count on Dualstow to keep me up to date on the news via avatar and signature line.

[dualstow]

I can always count on Dualstow to keep me up to date on the news via avatar and signature line.

I regret that I have but one avatar (at a time) to give.

Sorry posting from my phone very early hard to add URLs.

Ocho, just long press the address bar, COPY, type the post and then, in whitespace below the body of your post, long press,
PASTE. You probably already know that, but maybe JacksonM et al will see this.

Another handy phone tip: Text replacement. Settings ⇢ General ⇢ Keyboard... Set "qt" to expand as

Code: Select all

[/quote]

Saves a lot of time and frustration.

[jacksonM]

Reports say it was an "American-linked" tanker.

What the hell does that mean?

Funny thing is I thought this would be all over the T.V. news when I tuned in and I couldn't find a thing.

I guess there are more important things to talk about ... https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/ ... force-one/

So I guess if some evil entity is really trying to start a war in the Middle East (how hard can that be) they probably need to try harder.

[dualstow]

Funny thing is I thought this would be all over the T.V. news when I tuned in and I couldn't find a thing.

It was on CNBC this morning. Maybe it fizzled out in the evening.

[Maddy]

Retired General Wesley Clark, in his book, "Winning Modern Wars" (2003), describes his conversation with an officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to initiate a succession of attacks upon seven identified Middle Eastern countries: "As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM

[dualstow]

I really like Wesley Clark. For a brief time, I thought he had a shot at the presidency.
{ edit: typo only }

[boglerdude]

Dictatorships and theocracies are unacceptable, the question is does non-military intervention work better than military.

https://old.reddit.com/r/neoconNWO/

[moda0306]

Dictatorships and theocracies are unacceptable, the question is does non-military intervention work better than military.

https://old.reddit.com/r/neoconNWO/

Have fun overthrowing the governments of half the damn world, including Saudi Arabia.

And what do you consider non-military interventions? Sanctions are considered an act of war when visited upon the United States.

[ochotona]

Retired General Wesley Clark, in his book, "Winning Modern Wars" (2003), describes his conversation with an officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to initiate a succession of attacks upon seven identified Middle Eastern countries: "As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran."

This is why we can't have nice things... someone is always cooking up a war, then said someone always wants to go off and take a cush job with a weapons contractor after their "public" service career is over.

When the private sector figures out how to feed at the public trough, that's the end. "A republic, if you can keep it.", indeed.

I'm telling you, if we get into another land war in the Sandbox, this country is finished. Totally finished. The resulting new Federal debt will destroy us, actually maybe it's too late, the trillions spent in the Sandbox thus far may have done that already.

[Maddy]

I'm telling you, if we get into another land war in the Sandbox, this country is finished. Totally finished. The resulting new Federal debt will destroy us, actually maybe it's too late, the trillions spent in the Sandbox thus far may have done that already.

Raw military might may, ironically, be the only means left of defending the dollar.

[jacksonM]

Well I guess I finally found out what was meant by "American Linked".

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2019/06/15/cr ... bout-iran/

According to this article the second ship was Norwegian with a crew half Russian and half Filipino. The first one was Japanese.

So the American connection is obvious - apparently all of the ships in the sea belong to the American Empire.

The article also raises serious questions about why Iran would even do this as it makes absolutely no sense.

[dualstow]

This is why we can't have nice things... someone is always cooking up a war, then said someone always wants to go off and take a cush job with a weapons contractor after their "public" service career is over.
...

It would help if ex-congressmen couldn’t become lobbyists, board members, etc. I have heard that the reviled Ted Cruz & AOC have said something similar. If so, I agree with them.

[Kbg]

Dictatorships and theocracies are unacceptable, the question is does non-military intervention work better than military.

https://old.reddit.com/r/neoconNWO/

Have fun overthrowing the governments of half the damn world, including Saudi Arabia.

And what do you consider non-military interventions? Sanctions are considered an act of war when visited upon the United States.

Uh no, they are not.

[jacksonM]

Okay, now it has escalated to "Drone attacked". No loss of life. Just the loss of a $133 million piece of military equipment.

If you can take anything you read at face value Trump thought it wasn't worth an estimated 150 Iraqi lives in retaliation. I agree. Can't help but wonder how much 150 Iraqi's owe their lives to Jared, Ivanka, and Melania.

Interesting night on Fox News (excuse me for watching but it is pointless to tune into the other channels because they all say the same predictable things). Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham were both asking the question of what is in it for us and pointing out that new and endless wars in the Middle East were not part of Trump's vision of the future that he campaigned on. Sandwiched in between was Sean Hannity who revealed his true colors as a "time to bomb the hell out of them" neo-conservative.

Kind of reminds me of Kennedy's dilemma with the generals in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[moda0306]

Okay, now it has escalated to "Drone attacked". No loss of life. Just the loss of a $133 million piece of military equipment.

If you can take anything you read at face value Trump thought it wasn't worth an estimated 150 Iraqi lives in retaliation. I agree. Can't help but wonder how much 150 Iraqi's owe their lives to Jared, Ivanka, and Melania.

Interesting night on Fox News (excuse me for watching but it is pointless to tune into the other channels because they all say the same predictable things). Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham were both asking the question of what is in it for us and pointing out that new and endless wars in the Middle East were not part of Trump's vision of the future that he campaigned on. Sandwiched in between was Sean Hannity who revealed his true colors as a "time to bomb the hell out of them" neo-conservative.

Kind of reminds me of Kennedy's dilemma with the generals in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You mean Iranian lives... not Iraqi, right? And why do you think his kids and wife are responsible for that?

Funny you should mention Hannity in that light, because one of the bigger reasons I had doubts that Trump would be any sort of dove was his promise to "bomb the shit out of" ISIS and take the oil out of Iraq by having the military surround the area while oil companies drill out the oil.

I guess we'll see where this all goes...

[jacksonM]

Okay, now it has escalated to "Drone attacked". No loss of life. Just the loss of a $133 million piece of military equipment.

If you can take anything you read at face value Trump thought it wasn't worth an estimated 150 Iraqi lives in retaliation. I agree. Can't help but wonder how much 150 Iraqi's owe their lives to Jared, Ivanka, and Melania.

Interesting night on Fox News (excuse me for watching but it is pointless to tune into the other channels because they all say the same predictable things). Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham were both asking the question of what is in it for us and pointing out that new and endless wars in the Middle East were not part of Trump's vision of the future that he campaigned on. Sandwiched in between was Sean Hannity who revealed his true colors as a "time to bomb the hell out of them" neo-conservative.

Kind of reminds me of Kennedy's dilemma with the generals in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You mean Iranian lives... not Iraqi, right? And why do you think his kids and wife are responsible for that?

Funny you should mention Hannity in that light, because one of the bigger reasons I had doubts that Trump would be any sort of dove was his promise to "bomb the shit out of" ISIS and take the oil out of Iraq by having the military surround the area while oil companies drill out the oil.

I guess we'll see where this all goes...

Yes, I meant Iranian but if war breaks out I can well imagine more than 150 Iraqis dying too.

As for his kids, there must be somebody providing a counterweight to all the neoconservative hawks he's surrounded himself with so I was thinking it might be them. Some people are saying it was because he listened to Tucker Carlson who assured him that he can kiss the presidency good bye if he gets us into another war.

[moda0306]

Okay, now it has escalated to "Drone attacked". No loss of life. Just the loss of a $133 million piece of military equipment.

If you can take anything you read at face value Trump thought it wasn't worth an estimated 150 Iraqi lives in retaliation. I agree. Can't help but wonder how much 150 Iraqi's owe their lives to Jared, Ivanka, and Melania.

Interesting night on Fox News (excuse me for watching but it is pointless to tune into the other channels because they all say the same predictable things). Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham were both asking the question of what is in it for us and pointing out that new and endless wars in the Middle East were not part of Trump's vision of the future that he campaigned on. Sandwiched in between was Sean Hannity who revealed his true colors as a "time to bomb the hell out of them" neo-conservative.

Kind of reminds me of Kennedy's dilemma with the generals in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You mean Iranian lives... not Iraqi, right? And why do you think his kids and wife are responsible for that?

Funny you should mention Hannity in that light, because one of the bigger reasons I had doubts that Trump would be any sort of dove was his promise to "bomb the shit out of" ISIS and take the oil out of Iraq by having the military surround the area while oil companies drill out the oil.

I guess we'll see where this all goes...

Yes, I meant Iranian but if war breaks out I can well imagine more than 150 Iraqis dying too.

As for his kids, there must be somebody providing a counterweight to all the neoconservative hawks he's surrounded himself with so I was thinking it might be them. Some people are saying it was because he listened to Tucker Carlson who assured him that he can kiss the presidency good bye if he gets us into another war.

Gotcha. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting consisting of Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, and God-knows-who-else (My theory is he patches Rand Paul in via earpiece as part of a 5th-dimensional-chess game by Paul to warm Trump up to civil libertarian & anti-war impulses without him realizing he's being duped).

But seriously, how weird/contentions/manipulative do these meetings have to be?

[dualstow]

Iran says it has seized foreign oil tanker in Gulf
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... er-in-gulf

[dualstow]

British. ^

[jacksonM]

Iran says it has seized foreign oil tanker in Gulf
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... er-in-gulf

I was watching Hannity on Fox for a while last night (only because it is sandwiched between Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham both of whom I like).

He fancied himself delivering a message to Iran, as though they were listening, that he has known Donald Trump for over 20 years and if he has to take military action it isn't going to be a long, drawn out war like we are used to by now but it will be decisive and over quickly.

He's a ****ing idiot if he believes that.

[dualstow]

There is no *if* about Hannity being dim. How does this guy have a show?