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Re: The Green New Deal

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:25 am

jacksonM wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:57 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:11 pm
“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all. Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”
- Saikat Chakrabarti link
I think of it as how can we most quickly turn America into a totalitarian socialist/communist country thing. Actually turning down the thermostat on the planet by a fraction of a degree has nothing to do with it.
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Re: The Green New Deal

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:53 pm

After reading this post, or better yet the original 44-page document, you’ll understand why the Green New Deal is a bad idea. This is a cautionary tale worth paying attention to.

The goal of Energiewende was to make Germany independent of fossil fuels. But it hasn’t worked out. The 29,000 wind turbines and 1.6 million PV systems provide only 3.1% of Germany’s energy needs and have cost well over 100 billion Euros so far and likely another 450 billion Euros over the next two decades. And much more than that when you add in the extra cost of maintaining fossil generation systems to back up the lack of wind and sunshine from seconds to weeks.

Because of their extremely low energy density and need for a great deal of space, forests are being cut down, pits dug, and filled with hundreds of tons of reinforced concrete for wind turbines to stand on, 5 acres per turbine. With the forest no longer protecting the soil, it is now vulnerable to wind and rain erosion.

Because wind and solar farms get a guaranteed price for 20 years, they have no need to innovate, do research, or please customers, who paid them 176 billion euros for electricity with a market value of just 5 billion euros from 2000-2016. This is money that taxpayers could have used to build bridges, energy efficient buildings, or renovate schools, which would create even more jobs than the wind and solar industry claims so they can tout themselves as good for society, perhaps they aren’t so great when you look at other ways and jobs that could have been created with all the subsidies (Vernunftkraft 2018).

Germany’s electricity rates have skyrocketed to the highest levels in the EU because of the Energiewende debacle. link
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