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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:24 pm

moda0306 wrote:
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pugchief wrote: The author is married to a Mexican woman, and lives with her in Mexico.

White male kids may not be put down, but being a white male adult these days can be a big negative, particularly if you are looking for a job in a big PC corporation or academia. Qualifications don't count for s**t anymore, all that matters is diversity.
I hear lots of lip service around diversity. I still see lots of almost 100% white dude managers and executives in the energy industry. So from where I sit, I don't see it. This is admittedly a dinosaur industry in a deep red state. I don't think we have PC corporations here. They PC-wash themselves.
I work in accounting/tax in a mid-west but very blue state (Minnesota) and I live very close to Minneapolis so I'm not experiencing things from a conservative pocket. I see things much the same way. Even in corporate America, it's a sea of whiteness. But corporate America

People work with who they trust, and people trust people like them. Further, the "its not what you know but who you know" still applies greatly, which is organic and ok in some ways but has to be acknowledged IMO when you're deciding how much to lecture brown people about how they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps to become "successful."

One thing I'll never forget was grilling with a guy who worked at a closely-held (not globo-corporate but a damn big operation (200 employees perhaps?)) business operating about 25 minutes outside of the metro area of Minneapolis saying that they would never hire a black guy. He didn't say it either approvingly or disapprovingly, but just a matter of fact. I totally get it from a social-sphere and human standpoint, but damn if it's annoying that we don't acknowledge it, once again, when we lie to brown people about what to expect from the private-sector.
http://fortune.com/2018/03/02/google-ex ... diversity/
"The Alphabet unit had “irrefutable policies, memorialized in writing and consistently implemented in practice, of systematically discriminating in favor job applicants who are Hispanic, African American, or female, and against Caucasian and Asian men,” according to the complaint filed in state court in Redwood City, California."
Never fear, I presume the NLRB is already working up this guy's comments as a hate crime, possibly a sexual assault.
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:18 pm

I wonder how many attended Harvard? ;)

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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:30 pm

https://www.city-journal.org/html/no-th ... 14951.html
Valeria Silva, who became superintendent of the St. Paul Public Schools in December 2009, was an early and impassioned proponent of racial-equity ideology. In 2011, she made the equity agenda a centerpiece of her Strong Schools, Strong Communities initiative. The district’s website lauded the program as “the most revolutionary change in achievement, alignment, and sustainability within SPPS in the last 40 years.”

Demographically, the St. Paul schools are about 32 percent Asian, 30 percent black, 22 percent white, 14 percent Hispanic, and 2 percent Native American. In 2009–10, 15 percent of the district’s black students were suspended at least once—five times more than white students and about 15 times more than Asian students. In Silva’s view, equity required that the black student population be excluded from school at no more than twice the rate of Asian-Americans, the group with the lowest rate of suspensions.

Silva attacked the racial-equity discipline gap at its alleged root: “white privilege.”
Obviously.
They learned that “shouting out” answers in class and lack of punctuality are black cultural traits and that what may seem to be defiant student behavior is, in fact, just a culturally conditioned expression of “enthusiasm.”
HAHAHA.
In an effort to cut black discipline referrals, she lowered behavior expectations and dropped meaningful penalties for student misconduct. In 2012, the district removed “continual willful disobedience” as a suspendable offense.
Just re-term it "continual willful enthusiasm" I suppose.
In addition, to close the “school-to-prison pipeline,” Silva adopted a new protocol on interactions between schools and the police. The protocol ranked student offenses on five levels and required schools to report only the worst—including arson, aggravated assault, and firearm possession—to police. School officials were strongly encouraged to handle other serious offenses—such as assault, sexual violence, and drug possession—on their own. For a time, the district administration actually tied principals’ bonuses to their track record on reducing black discipline referrals.
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Teachers reported, for example, that administrators often failed to follow up when students were referred for discipline. Benner says that this is a common tactic to keep referral and suspension numbers low. Likewise, parents faulted school officials for failing to report dangerous student-on-student violence to police. One mother told the Pioneer Press that her seventh-grade son was viciously kicked in the groin. But “when I asked the principal why she had not contacted police, she told me, ‘That’s your job.’ ” Another mother told the paper that her son had been cut with an X-ACTO knife at school. When she asked why police had not been told, an administrator drew a map to the nearest station on the back of a business card, she said. After the mother contacted the police, the first assailant was charged with misdemeanor assault and the second with a felony.
Unfortunately, no parent was quick-thinking enough to realize having their child to punch these morons in the crotch would be repurcussion-free.
PEG-trained “cultural specialists”... advised that if kids cussed teachers out, those teachers should investigate how their own inability to earn students’ trust had triggered the misconduct.
Brilliant! I wonder how much basic training drill instructors could learn from PEG?
“Classroom invasions” by students settling private quarrels or taking revenge for drug deals gone bad became routine.
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The first few months of the school year witnessed riots or brawls at Como Park, Central, Humboldt, and Harding High Schools—including six fights in three days at Como Park. Police had to use chemical irritants to disperse battling students.
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“We are seeing more violence and more serious violence,” warned Steve Linders, a St. Paul police spokesman. “Fights at schools that might have been between two individuals are growing into fights between several individuals or even melees involving up to 50 people.” In September, a massive brawl erupted at Como Park High School. Police had to call for backup, as “the scene became very chaotic with many people fighting,” Linders said. “These are not . . . a couple of individuals squaring off with the intent of solving their private dispute,” teacher Roy Magnuson told the Pioneer Press. “These are kids trying to outnumber and attack.” In October 2015, 30 to 40 students clashed in a stairwell at Humboldt High School. Police tried to break up the brawl, as staff strained to hold a door closed to prevent dozens of students from forcing their way through to join the fight.
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Teachers suffered injuries while resisting classroom invasions or intervening in fights
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Silva’s administration put the blame for the escalating mayhem squarely on adults. Jackie Turner, the district’s chief engagement officer, said that in response to the violence, the district would consider more training for staff and school resource officers on “how to appropriately de-escalate situations.” Fights might not have escalated, she said, “if some of the adults would have reacted differently.” Asked if students should be expelled for fighting, Turner replied: “You’re not going to hear that from me, you’re not going to hear that from the superintendent, you’re not going to hear that from any of the administrators.”
Teacher Donna Wu was caught in a fight between two fifth-grade girls and knocked to the ground with a concussion. “I’ve been punched and kicked and spit on” and called “every cuss word you could possibly think of,” fourth-grade aide Sean Kelly told City Pages.
St. Paul’s experience makes clear that discipline policies rooted in racial-equity ideology lead to disaster. This shouldn’t be surprising, considering that the ideology’s two major premises are seriously flawed. The first premise holds that disparities in school-discipline rates are a product of teachers’ racial bias; the second maintains that teachers’ unjustified and discriminatory targeting of black students gives rise to the school-to-prison pipeline.
I only included a few choice quotes, there's so much more at the link.
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by ochotona » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:40 am

It being Good Friday and all, we were watching the 1972 movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar".

All of the actors were really skinny, except for the guy playing Herod. Now you don't see that. Young people are way more overweight and obese now, even actors. I don't get it... as I recall, we ate whatever we wanted in 1972!
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Xan » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:51 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:I only included a few choice quotes, there's so much more at the link.
Krieg, I read your post with my mouth agape. I'm stunned, struggling for words. How can administrators be so... blinded? stupid? corrupted? I don't know what the explanation is but it's utterly horrifying.
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by pugchief » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:18 am

If guys you liked that, you'll love this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4595058

These idiots think that if they just use the SJW solution, all the worlds problems will just magically go away.
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by sophie » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:56 am

OMG what a horrible story. Worse yet if it's being repeated in many urban schools as the article suggests.

It would be interesting to know if misguided policies like these have led to increased homeschooling, or worse yet a suburban exodus like we saw in the 1980s. That's quite worrying as it resulted in a self-stoking downward spiral in NYC - broken only by Giuliani's stepped up policing and enforcement of laws against petty crimes like loitering, solicitation, squeegees etc, plus restoration & cleanup of public areas. That's almost the complete reverse of what the St. Paul schools have done.

I remember reading an article once lamenting the gentrification of some NYC neighborhoods. The writer complained about us spoiled yuppees "wanting to stroll safely to their precious Starbucks" as if that was an insulting form of behavior. Well...guilty as charged and bring on the gentrification!
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:35 am

pugchief wrote:
If guys you liked that, you'll love this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4595058

These idiots think that if they just use the SJW solution, all the worlds problems will just magically go away.
After reading the article, I still have no idea what africentric math entails...
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:04 am

Xan wrote:
Kriegsspiel wrote:I only included a few choice quotes, there's so much more at the link.
Krieg, I read your post with my mouth agape. I'm stunned, struggling for words. How can administrators be so... blinded? stupid? corrupted? I don't know what the explanation is but it's utterly horrifying.
sophie wrote:OMG what a horrible story. Worse yet if it's being repeated in many urban schools as the article suggests.

It would be interesting to know if misguided policies like these have led to increased homeschooling, or worse yet a suburban exodus like we saw in the 1980s. That's quite worrying as it resulted in a self-stoking downward spiral in NYC - broken only by Giuliani's stepped up policing and enforcement of laws against petty crimes like loitering, solicitation, squeegees etc, plus restoration & cleanup of public areas. That's almost the complete reverse of what the St. Paul schools have done.

I remember reading an article once lamenting the gentrification of some NYC neighborhoods. The writer complained about us spoiled yuppees "wanting to stroll safely to their precious Starbucks" as if that was an insulting form of behavior. Well...guilty as charged and bring on the gentrification!
If you "enjoyed" that article, try Christina Hoff Sommers' The War On Boys. It came out in 2000, and in retrospect you can piece together how the insane gender brainwashing efforts resulted in our current state of affairs. "As one keynote speaker at a convention of gender-equity experts [K: in education] pointed out to her audience, "We have an incredible opportunity. Kids are so malleable."

*SJDD is my new term. Social Justice Deep Deedees.

Incidentally, I do find it odd that Silva didn't think it would be a good idea to equalize punishment 50/50 on gender lines also? Surely the fact that boys get in trouble much more than girls shows a massive bias towards boys according to Silvalogic?
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:26 am

ochotona wrote:It being Good Friday and all, we were watching the 1972 movie, "Jesus Christ Superstar".

All of the actors were really skinny, except for the guy playing Herod. Now you don't see that. Young people are way more overweight and obese now, even actors. I don't get it... as I recall, we ate whatever we wanted in 1972!
Hadn't gotten into "healthy whole grains" much yet and saturated fat is bad, low fat is good, which has screwed more than a generation but is finally turning.

I also assume a decent amount less processed food back then as well.
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by ochotona » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:31 am

I saw the new Jesus Christ Superstar on TV. Hypothesis confirmed!
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Re: Kids: Then and Now

Post by sophie » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:06 am

Hilarious. 1972 is the year the Senate imposed the low fat experiment on us. I think it should be obvious by now that the experiment failed on a grand scale. Still, I remember eating plenty of Pop Tarts and Ring Dings as a kid.

I think that might not be the only problem though: have you wondered why girls are starting to menstruate earlier and earlier? The age used to be 12-15. When I was growing up it had shifted back to 11-13 or so. My nieces all started at age 9-10, and there are reports of girls as young as 7. Why this isn't ringing defcon 5 alarm bells I have no idea, except women's health issues in general don't get a lot of love (sorry guys but it's true). These girls are the canaries in the coal mine, and I bet that whatever is causing this is also making people fatter. Xenoestrogens in plastics, growth hormone treated cows/steers, etc have all been talked about, but there's really been no serious investigations that might actually address the problem.
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