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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:48 pm

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Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
I agree that all politicians lie to some extent, but the Dems this year are really out there.
Sanders is probably the least liar among the ones who have a shot at it.
Not that I support him; he's a commie and also corrupt (look up his wife's business dealings).
But he isn't that big a liar compared to Biden or Warren.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by doodle » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:37 am

I don't see how we can even have a discussion about anything in this country if we cant at least agree on the facts. Youd think in the age of information access to the truth would be easier, but in fact it's becoming much worse. I am really worried at this point regarding our countrys future. We seem to have split ourselves into two teams and are becoming ever more entrenched in our own sides perspective regarding how our country ought to look and operate. Perhaps the abolishment of a two party system would be helpful. Getting big money out of politics would probably also help but I just don't see our country making changes this big anytime soon.

With regards to facts, is there some agreed upon entity that we can refer to in order to determine the veracity of a particular politicians statements? Politifact for example rates around 75% of what Donald Trump says as false:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


The scorecards for Sanders and Warren are much better...still some lying but not nearly as much.

https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... e-sanders/


https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... th-warren/

(Interestingly, Warren seems to speak mostly in half truths...)


Ignoring Republican and Democrat for a moment and just looking at Trump (even before his election) he basically built a career on lies and deception. Look at his business history. No banks wanted to deal with him because he would lie all the time and wasnt considered a client who would honor his contracts. His relationship with Deutsche bank is incredibly shady and corrupt. The facts surrounding this preceed his election and information regarding his dealings and his character are conveyed by bank employees and business associates. I also think one should look at what Trump's staff say about him. When dozens of people with long successful careers all seem to be saying the same negative things about him, I don't think it makes sense to ignore it.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:40 am

moda0306 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
There are plenty of bad traits on display, but I don’t think there is any Dem in the primary that lies more than Trump.

Overall I tend to feel like Republicans lie slightly more than dems.
I'm not sure about the Democratic candidates vs Trump.

But the current Dems/Left vs Reps/Right? It's not even a contest, IMO. You really think it's the other way around?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by moda0306 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:27 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:40 am
moda0306 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
There are plenty of bad traits on display, but I don’t think there is any Dem in the primary that lies more than Trump.

Overall I tend to feel like Republicans lie slightly more than dems.
I'm not sure about the Democratic candidates vs Trump.

But the current Dems/Left vs Reps/Right? It's not even a contest, IMO. You really think it's the other way around?
I mean who do you want to focus on? Do we weight by power or just say "most members of congress?" Are we weighing everything they say or just what gets plastered in the media? Of course it's going to seem like dem candidates lie more than some random conservative congressman... they're in the news constantly. And I think most conservatives are trying to keep their heads down so they don't have to be on record defending Trump's ridiculous antics.

And the fact that you're "not sure" about Trump vs dem candidates... Really? Trump is a bullshit factory. I hate standard "politics-speak" as much as the next guy but Trump's bombast isn't any better, and he lies far more.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:35 pm

I won't stand up for Trump on this question. I'm setting him aside for the moment.

I'm just saying that the Dems have this propensity to lie about the dumbest things. They don't feel good enough about their qualifications, so they make these desperate, comical lies. It's self-parody.

I wish Tulsi Gabbard would get more traction. But she's too genuine to know how to get ahead in the Democrat game.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by sophie » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:55 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars?
Actually, I'd be a lot less comfortable about them if they're all telling the truth!

Some wag once said "How do you know a politician is lying? Answer: his mouth is moving." How true that is (and it applies to the female gender as well).
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:49 am

I wonder is it the Lying, or is it the Hate that has infested or System.
That is doing the most harm.

Edit: As we are Lied to all the time by TV, Radio,Internet Advertisements.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Tyler » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:41 am

sophie wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:55 am
Actually, I'd be a lot less comfortable about them if they're all telling the truth!
No kidding. The deep pockets and motivated niche voter groups in the primary are clearly all single-issue ideologues, and by pandering to each one the candidates all sound completely insane.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:34 pm

Tyler wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:41 am
sophie wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:55 am
Actually, I'd be a lot less comfortable about them if they're all telling the truth!
No kidding. The deep pockets and motivated niche voter groups in the primary are clearly all single-issue ideologues, and by pandering to each one the candidates all sound completely insane.
One theory is that the party is "vote harvesting". They have candidates that have no realistic chance of becoming the nominee align themselves with particular issues. People interested in those issues support and engage with those candidates. During the nomination process, candidates drop out and turn their supporters, money, and voter data over to the party and eventual nominee. The party gets data and a more engaged base, the nominee avoids pandering to the extremists directly, and the candidates get experience, national exposure, and perhaps a shot at VP or a cabinet position.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by jacksonm2 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:32 pm

When it comes to those on the left standing up for the "truth" I think you need only look to judge Kavanaugh. On the one year anniversary of his confirmation to the supreme court there was a group of protesters outside the supreme court building protesting that they had put an "obvious" sexual predator on the high court. One of the speakers was Julie Swetnick who remembers him spiking the punch so he and his friend could gang-rape women at parties.

That woman's account of events has been completely discredited but the fact that she was invited to speak tells you all you need to know about the far left's relationship with the truth.

Personally, I think those people are truly dangerous because they are suffering from some form of extreme pathology.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:07 pm

jacksonm2 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:32 pm
When it comes to those on the left standing up for the "truth" I think you need only look to judge Kavanaugh. On the one year anniversary of his confirmation to the supreme court there was a group of protesters outside the supreme court building protesting that they had put an "obvious" sexual predator on the high court. One of the speakers was Julie Swetnick who remembers him spiking the punch so he and his friend could gang-rape women at parties.

That woman's account of events has been completely discredited but the fact that she was invited to speak tells you all you need to know about the far left's relationship with the truth.

Personally, I think those people are truly dangerous because they are suffering from some form of extreme pathology.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by moda0306 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:37 pm

jacksonm2 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:32 pm
When it comes to those on the left standing up for the "truth" I think you need only look to judge Kavanaugh. On the one year anniversary of his confirmation to the supreme court there was a group of protesters outside the supreme court building protesting that they had put an "obvious" sexual predator on the high court. One of the speakers was Julie Swetnick who remembers him spiking the punch so he and his friend could gang-rape women at parties.

That woman's account of events has been completely discredited but the fact that she was invited to speak tells you all you need to know about the far left's relationship with the truth.

Personally, I think those people are truly dangerous because they are suffering from some form of extreme pathology.
Who said anything about “the left standing up for truth.” We were discussing whether generally democrats or republicans lie more... not saying one or the other is a pillar of truth.

The Kavanaugh hearing was one of millions of states where dems and republicans might have lied. You’ve got a long road to hoe to develop a rich comparison.
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