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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:27 pm

Maddy wrote:
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Yeah. Once you reach a certain level of fame, for whatever reason, you can write a book or hit the "speakers circuit" and just rake it in for doing nothing other than bloviating.
Except that nobody really cares about the book or the speech. It's simply a pretext for the quid pro quo that flows to the politician who understands who's in charge and who doesn't buck the system.
I realized this with regards to speeches, but aren't book royalties pretty directly related to your sales? IOW, not nearly as much a hidden way of rewarding establishment politicians but actual public interest in the book?

Not that this interest isn't built on the ridiculous "hero-worship" of the American Presidency, and worthy of a different kind of skepticism, but it seems less-likely to be a result of obvious corruption.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Xan » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:31 pm

moda0306 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:27 pm
Maddy wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:09 pm
Xan wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:52 am
Yeah. Once you reach a certain level of fame, for whatever reason, you can write a book or hit the "speakers circuit" and just rake it in for doing nothing other than bloviating.
Except that nobody really cares about the book or the speech. It's simply a pretext for the quid pro quo that flows to the politician who understands who's in charge and who doesn't buck the system.
I realized this with regards to speeches, but aren't book royalties pretty directly related to your sales? IOW, not nearly as much a hidden way of rewarding establishment politicians but actual public interest in the book?

Not that this interest isn't built on the ridiculous "hero-worship" of the American Presidency, and worthy of a different kind of skepticism, but it seems less-likely to be a result of obvious corruption.
I think often most of the money from these book deals comes as an advance.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Desert » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:01 am

Not completely on topic, but I stumbled upon this speech from Mueller back in 2011. It's pretty interesting, given the current investigation into Russian influences.
But the playing field has changed. We have seen a shift from regional families with a clear structure, to flat, fluid networks with global reach. These international enterprises are more anonymous and more sophisticated. Rather than running discrete operations, on their own turf, they are running multi-national, multi-billion dollar schemes from start to finish.

We are investigating groups in Asia, Eastern Europe, West Africa, and the Middle East. And we are seeing cross-pollination between groups that historically have not worked together. Criminals who may never meet, but who share one thing in common: greed.

They may be former members of nation-state governments, security services, or the military. These individuals know who and what to target, and how best to do it. They are capitalists and entrepreneurs. But they are also master criminals who move easily between the licit and illicit worlds. And in some cases, these organizations are as forward-leaning as Fortune 500 companies.

This is not “The Sopranos,” with six guys sitting in a diner, shaking down a local business owner for $50 dollars a week. These criminal enterprises are making billions of dollars from human trafficking, health care fraud, computer intrusions, and copyright infringement. They are cornering the market on natural gas, oil, and precious metals, and selling to the highest bidder.

These crimes are not easily categorized. Nor can the damage, the dollar loss, or the ripple effects be easily calculated. It is much like a Venn diagram, where one crime intersects with another, in different jurisdictions, and with different groups.

How does this impact you? You may not recognize the source, but you will feel the effects. You might pay more for a gallon of gas. You might pay more for a luxury car from overseas. You will pay more for health care, mortgages, clothes, and food.

Yet we are concerned with more than just the financial impact. These groups may infiltrate our businesses. They may provide logistical support to hostile foreign powers. They may try to manipulate those at the highest levels of government. Indeed, these so-called “iron triangles” of organized criminals, corrupt government officials, and business leaders pose a significant national security threat.
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Post by boglerdude » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm

^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by ochotona » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm

boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Xan » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am

ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:50 am

Xan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am
ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
The price mechanism works great when markets are efficient. Would you consider health services, insurance and drug markets to be efficient?

Why do you think government works better in some areas than others? (I don't mean that snarky... just something I think about a lot)
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Desert » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:12 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am
ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Isn't that true of everything? The mechanism we have for "rationing" absolutely everything else is the price mechanism. In healthcare that mechanism has been badly broken.
With healthcare, there is a moral dimension that has guided most first world countries to reject a purely free market approach. With a true free market, there would be many U.S. citizens that would be denied care and die despite the existence of a treatment technology that could cure them. Similarly, there isn't a free market in roadways, policing, firefighting, military protection, etc. I get the same mutually assured destruction nuke protection that Warren Buffet gets, for example.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by pugchief » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:22 pm

ochotona wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
boglerdude wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 pm
^ how would that situation play out in England/Canada/France

Also, thats why im in the PP. Never know when you might need to drain it all.
Healthcare must always be rationed. Otherwise each person would demand infinite resources.

Would you rather the rationing be done by a panel which includes doctors and medical ethicists which is trying to allocate limited resources to do the most for the most people, or,

By a CEO a$$hat who wants to make his numbers so he can make another $25 million a buy a Bentley for his mistress?
Doctors and medical ethicists, yes.
CEO, no.
Government bureaucrats, hell no.

Can you imagine health care in Chicago? The only ones receiving the top care would be the political donors of the Machine cronies.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Maddy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:43 pm

One of the greatest things about the free market approach is that it forces consumers to weight the value of the services they want against the value of competing goodies. Seems sensible enough: People are more likely to get what they want when they--not some arbitrary panel applying an arbitrary set of standards--are calling the shots. The morbidly obese person who's required to pay for that coronary bypass is now challenged to evaluate the actual costs of his lifestyle choices. If he opts for McDonalds, why should society care? Similarly, the 81-year-old needing a new kidney might rethink the importance of a few more years of life if the trade-off is that he will have nothing to leave to his children.

And then there's all that cutting-edge newfangled stuff that the everybody supposedly wants. But how sure are we, really, that anybody really wants all that technology? You could offer me $200,000 worth of chemo with all the promises in the world, and I'd turn you down flat. Actually, I'd run like hell. Imagine what would happen if people were actually given a choice (think an insurance "cafeteria plan" where you could opt out of particular expensive interventions) or if people were candidly advised that they could write an advance directive that goes beyond end-of-life stuff. I'll bet you dollar to donuts that neither the medical industry nor the insurance lobby would allow it to happen.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:44 pm

When I saw this thread was active, I thought for sure it would be about this classy rebuke.
You can’t say *this* man suffers from TDS.

Revoke my security clearance, too, Mr. President

By William H. McRaven
August 16 at 2:44 PM
William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Dear Mr. President
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