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Re: Illegal immigration
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:08 am
by Pointedstick
I can't resist...
Overall, there were 11.7 million Mexican immigrants in the U.S. in 2014, down from a peak of 12.8 million in 2007, according to Pew Research Center estimates based on U.S. Census Bureau data. The number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico was down by about 1 million over the same time period, from a peak of 6.9 million in 2007 to 5.6 million in 2014, according to Pew Research Center estimates.
Somebody forgot to forward Pew Research the memo that "self-deportation" is a laughable concept that only idiots could believe in.
Also, how is 1.3 million "about 1 million"? That's quite a rounding error.
Re: Illegal immigration
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:12 pm
by Pointedstick
Simonjester wrote:
border apprehensions are down.. but is that a fair measure of illegal immigration when the border patrol are being told to catch and release? if my job was to catch border jumpers but the directives from above made the job an exercise in futility, i wonder just how diligent i would be trying to catch people..
that being said most border jumping is economic and the US hasn't exactly been on a tear in that regard, so implying that illegal immigration is down/apprehensions are down and therefor it is less important of an issue than it is promoted as, seems a bit off the mark...
The point, which I made poorly, was that I recall back in 2012 how everyone laughed at Mitt Romney for suggesting with with greater border enforcement, people would start to return on their own, AKA "self-deportation." That seems to be actually happening now, so maybe poor ol' Mitt wasn't as out of touch as the media would have had people believe.
Re: Illegal immigration
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:30 pm
by WiseOne
Desert wrote:While far from a perfect measure of illegal immigration, apprehensions at the border dropped to the lowest level in nearly 50 years, in 2015.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ehensions/
Population numbers through 2014 in the U.S. similarly indicate the possibility of a decrease in unauthorized immigration from Mexico. Overall, there were 11.7 million Mexican immigrants in the U.S. in 2014, down from a peak of 12.8 million in 2007, according to Pew Research Center estimates based on U.S. Census Bureau data. The number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico was down by about 1 million over the same time period, from a peak of 6.9 million in 2007 to 5.6 million in 2014, according to Pew Research Center estimates.
That old chestnut...
The key words here are "from Mexico". There's a whole continent south of Mexico and some key islands east of it that seems to have escaped notice. Most of the recent immigrants are from Central America and the Caribbean. A significant fraction of the Dominican Republic's population (around 10%) now live in NYC alone.
More to the point...is there good reason to believe that illegal immigration is a problem? Because that's the point, not minor fluctuations in numbers that have been massaged beyond recognition.