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Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:02 pm
by Jack Jones
If I buy bonds or bills through my broker (Vanguard) instead of through treasury direct, am I exposing myself to unnecessary counter-party risk?
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:57 pm
by Kbg
No. You own them. If your broker goes under you might have to wait for things to get sorted out. Having said that T Direct is a smidge safer and you won't have the above hassle factor.
The trade off is additional safety vs. flexibility
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:25 am
by sophie
When you buy through a broker, the broker owns the bonds, not you. You also incur an expense (the bid-ask spread) to buy and then sell. Some brokers (Schwab I believe) also charge fees to sell.
Buying through Treasury Direct eliminates those issues, but you have to buy new-issue bonds and then either hold them to maturity or transfer to a broker to sell. So you end up incurring the bid-ask spread anyway, if you sell a bond. Also, TD is only an option for taxable purchases.
I (and others here) use Treasury Direct to buy T bills with auto rollover to create a DIY money market in taxable. I haven't used them to buy long bonds, mainly because linking accounts to TD is a PITA.
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:30 am
by Kbg
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:42 am
by Jack Jones
sophie wrote:transfer to a broker to sell
Have you ever done this? If so, how long did it take?
sophie wrote:
I (and others here) use Treasury Direct to buy T bills with auto rollover to create a DIY money market in taxable. I haven't used them to buy long bonds, mainly because linking accounts to TD is a PITA.
Suppose you needed to access a lot of your cash in a hurry. You'd need to first transfer the bills to a broker to sell, right?
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:11 pm
by Jack Jones
Here's the process for transferring treasuries to a broker:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/re ... d_sell.htm
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:02 am
by Jack Jones
I ended up going with my broker. At some point I might move half over to Treasury Direct for institutional diversification.
Thanks for the responses, all!
Re: Treasury Direct vs Bond Desk at broker
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:17 am
by dualstow
Thanks for posting that, Jack.
I've got all my bonds in Vanguard and Fidelity. When the time comes (shaking fist) they better give me my money back!