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The American system of limiting government is a miserable failure

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:53 pm
by Pointedstick
Read it and weep:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... in-america
A superficial analysis would predict that this proliferation of veto points would lead to inaction, generating a systematic libertarian bias. In practice, however, every veto point functions more like a toll booth, with the toll-taker able to extract a price in exchange for his willingness to allow legislation to keep moving. Most obviously, the toll-taker gets to add pork-barrel projects for his district or state in exchange for letting legislation move onto the next step. This increases the cost of legislation, even if, as John Ellwood and Eric Patashnik have argued, it might be a reasonable price to pay for greasing the wheels of a very complicated legislative machine.

But the price of multiple veto points is much larger than an accounting of pork-barrel projects would suggest. First, many of our legislative toll-takers have a vested interest in the status quo. In exchange for their willingness to allow a bill to proceed, therefore, they often require that legislation leave their favored programs safe from substantive changes. Consequently, new ideas have to be layered over old programs rather than replace them — the textbook definition of a policy kludge. Second, the need to gain consent from so many actors makes attaining any degree of policy coherence difficult at best. Finally, the enormous number of veto points that legislation must now pass through gives legislative strategists a strong incentive to pour everything they can into giant omnibus legislation. The multiplication of veto points, therefore, does not necessarily stop legislation from passing, but it does considerably raise its cost and, more importantly, its complexity.
There's a lot to think about here for people of all political persuasions.

Re: The American system of limiting government is a miserable failure

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:31 pm
by MediumTex
Pointedstick wrote: Read it and weep:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... in-america
A superficial analysis would predict that this proliferation of veto points would lead to inaction, generating a systematic libertarian bias. In practice, however, every veto point functions more like a toll booth, with the toll-taker able to extract a price in exchange for his willingness to allow legislation to keep moving. Most obviously, the toll-taker gets to add pork-barrel projects for his district or state in exchange for letting legislation move onto the next step. This increases the cost of legislation, even if, as John Ellwood and Eric Patashnik have argued, it might be a reasonable price to pay for greasing the wheels of a very complicated legislative machine.

But the price of multiple veto points is much larger than an accounting of pork-barrel projects would suggest. First, many of our legislative toll-takers have a vested interest in the status quo. In exchange for their willingness to allow a bill to proceed, therefore, they often require that legislation leave their favored programs safe from substantive changes. Consequently, new ideas have to be layered over old programs rather than replace them — the textbook definition of a policy kludge. Second, the need to gain consent from so many actors makes attaining any degree of policy coherence difficult at best. Finally, the enormous number of veto points that legislation must now pass through gives legislative strategists a strong incentive to pour everything they can into giant omnibus legislation. The multiplication of veto points, therefore, does not necessarily stop legislation from passing, but it does considerably raise its cost and, more importantly, its complexity.
There's a lot to think about here for people of all political persuasions.
That set of leadership challenges definitely argues in favor of a "Big Man" leadership structure where a single (hopefully) benevolent figure can smash through these choke points.

Trump's appeal is making more and more sense to me.

Re: The American system of limiting government is a miserable failure

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:38 pm
by Fred
"Limited Government". An oxymoron if ever there was one.

Re: The American system of limiting government is a miserable failure

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:16 pm
by Libertarian666
There is no way to limit government... other than by being prepared to resist it by force, which of course is extremely hazardous, as it almost always has more force at its disposal than any subgroup.

Read "A Spontaneous Order" for a better approach. Spoiler: it doesn't explain how to limit government.